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RASCAR is back for this Saturday.

Ed Solhei

RASCAR is back for this Saturday.

by Ed Solhei » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:26:15

"redTed" said:

If you can stay safe at (or close to) "race-pace" - that makes a good driver
in *my* book.

As for the experience...  it's just one of those things you learn but cannot
be thought - if that makes any sense...
It's all about know what to do when and *why*.... but perhaps more
importantly - what *not* to do.

But those are my words....

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ed_
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$10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:20:11

There's the rub... the faster driver is the driver that needs to be patient.
He's got the better view of the situation and the better car control. He
needs to "telegraph" his move and pass decisively, so the slower driver
knows what to do.

In RASCAR we do have the problem of drivers taking a roadcourse mindset into
stock car racing, which can be bothersome, but apart from that people off
the pace have to run their own race too. Their job is to finish as high up
as possible, not keel over and die when a faster driver gets within half a
straight.

Jan.
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Mitch_

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by Mitch_ » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:30:50

Youre exactly right Jan.  It's a fine line that needs to be walked :)  Do I
have the answers?  NOPE.  Peer pressure :)  Youre gonna hear that allot from
me.

Mitch


David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:48:09


<sigh>

Of course not.

100% not true.

Nothing elitist about it. Clean racing and no one person in total control.

David G Fisher



> > RASCAR will continue without Mr.Simmons micro-management.  RASCAR is for
> RAS
> > readers that wish to run in an informal yet competitive atmosphere.  As
> was
> > in the original RASCAR charter. No individual will make any rules
without
> > group consent.  Either a commitee or group voting will decide what few
> > manageable rules are desirable.  The one key difference will be a driver
> > selection process.  We can't afford to let any nubmskull fresh from the
> > pickup circuit come and cause numerous yellow flags so we want
experienced
> > racers only until we can establish a testing/entry process to help weed
> out
> > non-drivers that just happen across RAS.  This isnt to say they will be
> > instantly barred from competition but a testing process is a must.

> > The server has been secured but is currently un-tested.  During this
week
> it
> > will be setup for a few evening practice/testing races.  Stay tuned.

> > The races will be on Saturdays at 4pm est.  An invite list will
eventually
> > be in place but the first few races will be password protected.  We will
> > continue to use
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> Forum
> > unless informed otherwise.

> > The DM will be the same as weve run since last year.  This week
Darlington
> > 40%.  We want clean freindly racing and encourage participation from
> > everyone involved.

> > The group that is getting this going is looking for members that wish to
> > contribute any skills to help make this a better place to race.  Ed can
> you
> > hear  me?  You can have your job back and get some say on how you race
:)


> > RASCAR is back and WE ALL have a say this time around!

David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:56:33


Yes, that is a good question. I have a simple question. Why should I have
certain guys race with the new RASCAR when 5 minutes ago, when certain
people felt they were in charge, they pounded their chest in unison and then
kicked me out of the old RASCAR?

When Eldred pulled his server, Jan said at the forum that RASCAR would
continue, but WITHOUT me.

Should I act like them, or better?

David G Fisher

Tony Rickar

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by Tony Rickar » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 05:57:36

"Mitch_A" wrote

Presumably starting with a democratic election for leader/organiser
whatever. Otherwise isn't this just a coup?

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Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:05:18



> > No individual will make any rules without group consent.
> > Either a commitee or group voting will decide what few
> > manageable rules are desirable.

> The rebirth of the People's Front of Judea...

> Loretta

You have a womb yet Loretta ?

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Tony Rickar

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by Tony Rickar » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:07:03


> Why should I have
> certain guys race with the new RASCAR when 5 minutes ago, when certain
> people felt they were in charge, they pounded their chest in unison and
then
> kicked me out of the old RASCAR?

Why should *you* have? Sounds like you are assuming some authority here.
The new Rascar is run by the people you know.

How long do you plan to drag this on for, David?

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Tony Rickar

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by Tony Rickar » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:15:19


> > > No individual will make any rules without group consent.
> > > Either a commitee or group voting will decide what few
> > > manageable rules are desirable.

> > The rebirth of the People's Front of Judea...

> > Loretta

> You have a womb yet Loretta ?

It is not the fact I can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which
is nobody's fault, not even John Simmons, but that I can have the right to
have babies.

It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression by the old Rascar
regime...

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Tim

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by Tim » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:36:37

Thank you Mitch.

Why would anyone support someone who had nothing to say to them but stop kissing
John's ass is beyond me but I certainly will not.

I will say this,

Unless your able to apologize to at least 3 people you publicly accused of
sucking up to John every single time we offered HIM support you can lay claim to
the big fish in a small pond all you like and it will never make you anything
more than an agitator who grabbed the ball and said it was his.  Oh excuse me,
OURS, lol.

I will never race on a server you admin, won't ever happen.  You're antics were
absolutely in no way less offensive than anything John said or did.  Your
ridiculous arguments, flaming, and pompous righteous holier-than-thou attitude,
and bravado attempts at claiming you are for the group, while simultaneously
changing it's core idea of an open invite policy, simply show just how incapable
you are.

You don't even deserve the respect of explaining it to you personally since your
obviously so incapable of grasping it.

You want, YOU, want RASCAR to be just another league, with the same closed doors
all the others have.  Your version of RASCAR will not only not survive, you will
only be remembered as the single person who alienated a decent guy like Eldred
who happened to have a good server, and knew what to do with it.

--
Tim White

Tony Rickar

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by Tony Rickar » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:39:16


> RASCAR will continue without Mr.Simmons micro-management.  RASCAR is for
RAS
> readers that wish to run in an informal yet competitive atmosphere.  As
was
> in the original RASCAR charter. No individual will make any rules without
> group consent.  Either a commitee or group voting will decide what few
> manageable rules are desirable.

With good intentions, I am sure, but...

Who is the group "getting this going". Who are they and why should they be
in charge when the rationale for change was based on John's authority being
questioned for assuming control in the first place?

Decisions have been made - start time, race length, forum etc.

How will the driver selection process work and how will it be decided - by
the whole of RAS, the defined group above, or by you alone?

Running by a committee of everyone is fraught with problems, delays and a
good deal of frustration for everyone. The above examples show how you are
forced to cut corners and make decisions. Even though they are for the good
of the group it still contradicts the RASCAR is for RAS concept. Isn't it
better to elect a leader or organising group with a mandate to lead for a
period if you want to go down the democratic route. Otherwise it is just
hyprocrisy to oust an unelected leader with another one based on the desire
for democracy, no matter how well meaning the rationale.

Cheers
Tony

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Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:47:04


> It is not the fact I can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which
> is nobody's fault, not even John Simmons, but that I can have the right to
> have babies.

> It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression by the old Rascar
> regime...

I'm laughing so hard I'm not even going to *try* to come up with a
decent response to that

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Tony Rickar

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by Tony Rickar » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:50:52


> Thank you Mitch.

> Why would anyone support someone who had nothing to say to them but stop
kissing
> John's ass is beyond me but I certainly will not.

I agree, Tim. If John's attitude was considered inappropriate to lead
Rascar by the consensus of RAS (which is an unknown fact btw) then
potential pretenders to the crown need to prove why they would be better.
The onslaught of flaming posts is hardly a good starting point.

Cheers
Tony

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Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:56:56

You can act how you like. It doesn't matter whether I drive in RASCAR or
not, just that there's a RASCAR. I did what I felt I had to do to keep it
going.

John had chucked you out, I had decided to rent a server and continue RASCAR
that way. The post was right for it's time. You nor Mitch ever provided an
alternative until after John's patience ran out.

I have no real bones with the way you drive(*), just with the way you act
when you believe you're being wronged.

Jan.
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(*): you should be more carefull with running others close tho'. Not all
connections are as solid as yours.

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:00:22

That's the secret... there will be no leader and stuff will just get
organised. <g>

Jan./sorry, couldn't resist... ;-)
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