rec.autos.simulators

by **Sjon Stigte** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

This message is for all you guys who shout that GP3 sucks, that it's a joke
or that it's a piece of shit.

When I first tried Grand Prix 3 (which was at 3 am CET saturday morning) I
also was a bit dissapointed. "This looks a awfull lot like Grand Prix 2", I
first tought. I decided to go to bed after about 3 laps at the A1-Ring as I
was very exhausted after a hard and long day. Saturday I didn't have much
time to play Grand Prix 3, I did about a lap or 15 on random tracks. Sunday
I had all the time of the world and after getting out of bed at 12:00 I
first took a shower, made myself a breakfast (or lunch, just how you look at
it) and decided to see what Grand Prix 3 was worth.

I did around 100 laps mostly on Monza in friday practise all day... And I
must say my toughts have changed completly from what I thought on Saturday
at 3 AM... I really love the game now.. The weather is just amazing... It's
great to start a session with some dripping on some parts of the track... it
starts to rain harder and harder... every lap the track gets wetter and
wetter, every lap is different... You can see on the tarmac how wet it is...
some parts of the track are wetter as other parts. Making the right tire
choise is very hard... "Should I go for intermediates or full wets?"... Then
at the end of the session the track starts to dry up again, some parts of
the track start to show a dry line, other parts are still very wet, again
the question, which tires to put on starts, intermediates, full dry or
should I hold on to these wets for a few more laps? The track is drying up
and the opposition is starting to put down faster and faster laptimes, there
isn't much time to think about which tires should be best... Brave as you
are you put on dry soft tires for a fast lap, only to find out that some
parts of the track are still to wet to be driven by dry weather tires...
What to do now? Get back to the pits for intermediates or stay out on your
dry weather ***? The track keeps getting drier and drier every second.

I seriously doubt that you criticasters have been playing Grand Prix 3 long
enough to go through a 1 hour session with changing weather conditions. All
what you guys do is look for little holes in Grand Prix 3 to slag it down...
Well if we are going to do it that way then I can mention quite some things
which aren't right about the "oh so holy RAS' Grand Prix Legends" but if I
do that you guys probably won't agree with me anyway as Grand Prix Legens is
just too holy here....

- To those who put down Grand Prix 3:
Try Grand Prix 3 for a few days extensive... I will tell you that your
thoughts about it will be completly different from your first thoughts, just
like it was in my case.

- To those who then still think Grand Prix 3 is bad after trying it for a
few days:
This is all your own fault... you got your hopes up waaaays to high, that
Grand Prix 3 would look alot like Grand Prix 2 was to be expected, who
didn't expect that is just plain stupid. You have been raving here for
months how good Grand Prix 3 would be, got others e***d and now you're
dissapointed because you got your own hopes set to high... Right now I am
noticing that you guys are doing the same to World Sports Car as what you
did to Grand Prix 3... you're shouting: "This is going to be the next Grand
Prix Legends!". Instead of learning your lesson from Grand Prix 3 , where
you got your hopes up ways to unrealistically high you're now bombing the
next thing to be like heaven... I can tell you that you will also not like
World Sports Car... Not because it's bad or anything but just because you're
expecting to much of it... This way every game will be bad. If I where the
West brothers I wouldn't give a single pic nor even talk about World Sports
Cars anymore, just to prevent that there will be a unrealistic hype around
the game which it can't live upto.

- To those who haven't got Grand Prix 3 yet but are getting worried about
all the negative comments in this newsgroup:
Don't worry.. Grand Prix 3 isn't bad at all... These newsgroup has thousands
of visitors on a dailly basis and about 10-15 people or so seem not to like
it, problem is that people always shout loudest when they don't like
something... when you do a good job nobody will tell you you did good...
That's human nature, sad isn't it??

Well, that's about what I had to say.... one last thing I like to say: If
you like Grand Prix 3 (and I know many of you do) let it know, don't stay
quite....

hmmm... I am sure I am going to get alot of flames on this post... but I

Marino anyways and have a great time and probably won't read all these
flames anyway :)

-- Sjon Stigter

by **ElfKin** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:49:51 +0200, "Sjon Stigter"

>- To those who put down Grand Prix 3:
>Try Grand Prix 3 for a few days extensive... I will tell you that your
>thoughts about it will be completly different from your first thoughts, just
>like it was in my case.

>- To those who then still think Grand Prix 3 is bad after trying it for a
>few days:

YUP. This so dead on, my feelings and experience as well. It has
grown on me. And with the weather has become even more than I ever
expected..........the track drying only on the racing line. as you lap
I find just amazing.

High hopes will lead many to be dissapointed. Hopefully if you keep
driving it, it will grow on you, as it did with me.

Cheers
**ElfKing**
T'was in a kingdom long ago and far away......

by **Victor Cha** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

This I don't understand. GP3 is great because the game looks good driving in the rain?
:-) How about when dry? How about the fact that, according to others, you don't feel
like the car is moving, but only the track moves? That reminds me of some of the 80s
arcade 2D racing games. The car does not move, only the track moves.

> This message is for all you guys who shout that GP3 sucks, that it's a joke
> or that it's a piece of shit.

> When I first tried Grand Prix 3 (which was at 3 am CET saturday morning) I
> also was a bit dissapointed. "This looks a awfull lot like Grand Prix 2", I
> first tought. I decided to go to bed after about 3 laps at the A1-Ring as I
> was very exhausted after a hard and long day. Saturday I didn't have much
> time to play Grand Prix 3, I did about a lap or 15 on random tracks. Sunday
> I had all the time of the world and after getting out of bed at 12:00 I
> first took a shower, made myself a breakfast (or lunch, just how you look at
> it) and decided to see what Grand Prix 3 was worth.

> I did around 100 laps mostly on Monza in friday practise all day... And I
> must say my toughts have changed completly from what I thought on Saturday
> at 3 AM... I really love the game now.. The weather is just amazing... It's
> great to start a session with some dripping on some parts of the track... it
> starts to rain harder and harder... every lap the track gets wetter and
> wetter, every lap is different... You can see on the tarmac how wet it is...
> some parts of the track are wetter as other parts. Making the right tire
> choise is very hard... "Should I go for intermediates or full wets?"... Then
> at the end of the session the track starts to dry up again, some parts of
> the track start to show a dry line, other parts are still very wet, again
> the question, which tires to put on starts, intermediates, full dry or
> should I hold on to these wets for a few more laps? The track is drying up
> and the opposition is starting to put down faster and faster laptimes, there
> isn't much time to think about which tires should be best... Brave as you
> are you put on dry soft tires for a fast lap, only to find out that some
> parts of the track are still to wet to be driven by dry weather tires...
> What to do now? Get back to the pits for intermediates or stay out on your
> dry weather ***? The track keeps getting drier and drier every second.

> I seriously doubt that you criticasters have been playing Grand Prix 3 long
> enough to go through a 1 hour session with changing weather conditions. All
> what you guys do is look for little holes in Grand Prix 3 to slag it down...
> Well if we are going to do it that way then I can mention quite some things
> which aren't right about the "oh so holy RAS' Grand Prix Legends" but if I
> do that you guys probably won't agree with me anyway as Grand Prix Legens is
> just too holy here....

> - To those who put down Grand Prix 3:
> Try Grand Prix 3 for a few days extensive... I will tell you that your
> thoughts about it will be completly different from your first thoughts, just
> like it was in my case.

> - To those who then still think Grand Prix 3 is bad after trying it for a
> few days:
> This is all your own fault... you got your hopes up waaaays to high, that
> Grand Prix 3 would look alot like Grand Prix 2 was to be expected, who
> didn't expect that is just plain stupid. You have been raving here for
> months how good Grand Prix 3 would be, got others e***d and now you're
> dissapointed because you got your own hopes set to high... Right now I am
> noticing that you guys are doing the same to World Sports Car as what you
> did to Grand Prix 3... you're shouting: "This is going to be the next Grand
> Prix Legends!". Instead of learning your lesson from Grand Prix 3 , where
> you got your hopes up ways to unrealistically high you're now bombing the
> next thing to be like heaven... I can tell you that you will also not like
> World Sports Car... Not because it's bad or anything but just because you're
> expecting to much of it... This way every game will be bad. If I where the
> West brothers I wouldn't give a single pic nor even talk about World Sports
> Cars anymore, just to prevent that there will be a unrealistic hype around
> the game which it can't live upto.

> - To those who haven't got Grand Prix 3 yet but are getting worried about
> all the negative comments in this newsgroup:
> Don't worry.. Grand Prix 3 isn't bad at all... These newsgroup has thousands
> of visitors on a dailly basis and about 10-15 people or so seem not to like
> it, problem is that people always shout loudest when they don't like
> something... when you do a good job nobody will tell you you did good...
> That's human nature, sad isn't it??

> Well, that's about what I had to say.... one last thing I like to say: If
> you like Grand Prix 3 (and I know many of you do) let it know, don't stay
> quite....

> hmmm... I am sure I am going to get alot of flames on this post... but I

> Marino anyways and have a great time and probably won't read all these
> flames anyway :)

> -- Sjon Stigter

by **SKur** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I agree, GP3 is good, and good fun. I've never driven it with aids on, tho its
not hard to get around the tracks at all. As far as my laptimes,, go I am
inline with the semi pro AI, at least on a couple of tracks. I've got 6-8 hrs
racing time on GP3 now at least. The blocky gfx.. I don't even notice it
anymore.
My only beefs are... NO way to save a replay that i've found yet
And the damn Idiot AI +) they'll dive inside u, get their frt wheel alongside
yer rear wheel but they don't seem to wanna back off... of course not bein able
to hear another car 4-5 ft away doesn't help.
Anyone tested all the different manufacturers cars? I haven't been able to see
a difference, but I'm no race sim expert.
As far as the physics go.. I've slid the rear end out around a turn and not lost
it in one of these "canned" spins I keep hearing about.

This game is a RUSH!! just finished a race at SPA, the sense of speed is
great! (not quite like RC2000) Got more respect for the real drivers now.

BUT having said all that I have to add 2 things..... Without multiplay over the
net, and this slomo shit, GP3 is gonna dissappear and be forgotten by Xmas. I
sure won't purchase it until it can handle multiplayer over the net.

Martyn_D