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nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

R.Denesse

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by R.Denesse » Fri, 15 Mar 2002 05:00:16

Hello folks,

I have been playing racingsims like GPL, Nascar 4 etc since indy 500 from
papy .

I have been playing the Nascar season 2002 demo now for some weeks. (i have
not seen the full game in stores in Holland yet).

Although i am not a bad GPL driver i must admit that i have serious problems
playing N2002 season in Simulation mode.
When driving in a full field in Atlanta, it is almost impossible for me not
to hit the car next to me in the corners. When i am on the outside, it seems
that they push me further to the outside into the wall. When i'm on the
inside i can hardly hold my line and i tend to drift to the outside, hitting
the car next to me.

Does anyone have the same problems ? Or is it just me ? Although i am not a
top sim driver, i have won several online races with Nascar 4 and never had
these problems before.

Regards

R.Denessen

CarGu

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by CarGu » Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:12:42

Its not the sim as NR2002 and its new tire model are actually a little
easier to drive than was the GPL based N4. Now we have the correct chassis
weight and tire size is the best reasoning I can offer.

Try to find some better setups and get more seat time, you won't be fussing
about long thereafter...


Brian Oste

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by Brian Oste » Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:58:00

Setups are the key.  If you don't have a good setup, it can make the
game seem almost impossible.  The "fast" setups that ship with N2002
usually tend to be very tight.  Download some setups from
team-lightspeed and try those out.  You will probably find that they
seem very loose (unless you are a much better driver than me) so you
will need to learn how to modify them to fit your driving style.



Brian Oster

JoeZ

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by JoeZ » Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:23:53

I agree that the default fast setups tend to be tight.
I usually start with the "fast" setup and loosen it up a ton. That is a good
starting
point for me anyway. I usually add wedge, increase tape based on weather,
reduce
the spoiler, etc. Gives me something to work with and start tweaking.....


> Setups are the key.  If you don't have a good setup, it can make the
> game seem almost impossible.  The "fast" setups that ship with N2002
> usually tend to be very tight.  Download some setups from
> team-lightspeed and try those out.  You will probably find that they
> seem very loose (unless you are a much better driver than me) so you
> will need to learn how to modify them to fit your driving style.



> >Hello folks,

> >I have been playing racingsims like GPL, Nascar 4 etc since indy 500 from
> >papy .

> >I have been playing the Nascar season 2002 demo now for some weeks. (i
have
> >not seen the full game in stores in Holland yet).

> >Although i am not a bad GPL driver i must admit that i have serious
problems
> >playing N2002 season in Simulation mode.
> >When driving in a full field in Atlanta, it is almost impossible for me
not
> >to hit the car next to me in the corners. When i am on the outside, it
seems
> >that they push me further to the outside into the wall. When i'm on the
> >inside i can hardly hold my line and i tend to drift to the outside,
hitting
> >the car next to me.

> >Does anyone have the same problems ? Or is it just me ? Although i am not
a
> >top sim driver, i have won several online races with Nascar 4 and never
had
> >these problems before.

> >Regards

> >R.Denessen

> Brian Oster

CarGu

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by CarGu » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:33:59


Hey Joe, adding wedge loosens a car? I think I know what you meant, but
taking wedge out (negative wedge) loosens my setups...lowering the spoiler
works, as does playing with the track bar, raising the right side track bar
will cause the car to turn left better but must be carefully balanced with
the wedeg setting to prevent constant spinning. When tweaking a setup, watch
the front roll couple %, cars work best when it is in the low to mid 70's to
me.

R.Denesse

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by R.Denesse » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:00:33

Thanx for all the kind  advice !!

I will try to change setup or download some from the internet.

Kind regards

R.Denessen




> > I agree that the default fast setups tend to be tight.
> > I usually start with the "fast" setup and loosen it up a ton. That is a
> good
> > starting
> > point for me anyway. I usually add wedge, increase tape based on
weather,
> > reduce
> > the spoiler, etc. Gives me something to work with and start
tweaking.....

> Hey Joe, adding wedge loosens a car? I think I know what you meant, but
> taking wedge out (negative wedge) loosens my setups...lowering the spoiler
> works, as does playing with the track bar, raising the right side track
bar
> will cause the car to turn left better but must be carefully balanced with
> the wedeg setting to prevent constant spinning. When tweaking a setup,
watch
> the front roll couple %, cars work best when it is in the low to mid 70's
to
> me.

Dave Henri

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by Dave Henri » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:42:45




> > I agree that the default fast setups tend to be tight.
> > I usually start with the "fast" setup and loosen it up a ton. That is a
> good
> > starting
> > point for me anyway. I usually add wedge, increase tape based on
weather,
> > reduce
> > the spoiler, etc. Gives me something to work with and start
tweaking.....

> Hey Joe, adding wedge loosens a car? I think I know what you meant, but
> taking wedge out (negative wedge) loosens my setups...lowering the spoiler
> works, as does playing with the track bar, raising the right side track
bar
> will cause the car to turn left better but must be carefully balanced with
> the wedeg setting to prevent constant spinning. When tweaking a setup,
watch
> the front roll couple %, cars work best when it is in the low to mid 70's
to
> me.

  Alright, so if I take the Papyrus setups and (more often than not)spin
midcorner, what should I be doing to minimize that???
dave henrie
John Pancoas

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by John Pancoas » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:14:54

Adjust your wedge or lower both sides of the track bar for starters Dave.

-John






> > > I agree that the default fast setups tend to be tight.
> > > I usually start with the "fast" setup and loosen it up a ton. That is
a
> > good
> > > starting
> > > point for me anyway. I usually add wedge, increase tape based on
> weather,
> > > reduce
> > > the spoiler, etc. Gives me something to work with and start
> tweaking.....

> > Hey Joe, adding wedge loosens a car? I think I know what you meant, but
> > taking wedge out (negative wedge) loosens my setups...lowering the
spoiler
> > works, as does playing with the track bar, raising the right side track
> bar
> > will cause the car to turn left better but must be carefully balanced
with
> > the wedeg setting to prevent constant spinning. When tweaking a setup,
> watch
> > the front roll couple %, cars work best when it is in the low to mid
70's
> to
> > me.

>   Alright, so if I take the Papyrus setups and (more often than not)spin
> midcorner, what should I be doing to minimize that???
> dave henrie

Norman Blac

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by Norman Blac » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:49:38

interesting that you can spin the default (fast?) setup midcorner.

I assume you were stable to mid corner and then something happened that
made you unstable.
I assume your left side tires were not touching the apron.
I assume you have a couple of laps on the tires to get some heat and air
pressure in them.

Did you spin when you get on the gas
or when you back off the gas the tail end steps out
what track
    flat, low bank, high bank.

Norman






> > > I agree that the default fast setups tend to be tight.
> > > I usually start with the "fast" setup and loosen it up a ton. That
is a
> > good
> > > starting
> > > point for me anyway. I usually add wedge, increase tape based on
> weather,
> > > reduce
> > > the spoiler, etc. Gives me something to work with and start
> tweaking.....

> > Hey Joe, adding wedge loosens a car? I think I know what you meant,
but
> > taking wedge out (negative wedge) loosens my setups...lowering the
spoiler
> > works, as does playing with the track bar, raising the right side
track
> bar
> > will cause the car to turn left better but must be carefully
balanced with
> > the wedeg setting to prevent constant spinning. When tweaking a
setup,
> watch
> > the front roll couple %, cars work best when it is in the low to mid
70's
> to
> > me.

>   Alright, so if I take the Papyrus setups and (more often than
not)spin
> midcorner, what should I be doing to minimize that???
> dave henrie

Dave Henri

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by Dave Henri » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:12:01

  track?  Heck I don't need no track!  I can spin in the pits!!
  No sorry....
        Usually it's early when the tires are cold,  starts like at Texas, I
have a real problem exiting turns...the back end comes around and I nose
dive for the inside wall.  At many tracks, like Atlanta the other night, I
lose the back end at the midpoint...trying to transisiton from off the gas
to power...
  I did view some of the Papyrus tutorials, and the power off over steer
seemed to describe me fairly well.
dave henrie

> >   Alright, so if I take the Papyrus setups and (more often than
> not)spin
> > midcorner, what should I be doing to minimize that???

> interesting that you can spin the default (fast?) setup midcorner.

> I assume you were stable to mid corner and then something happened that
> made you unstable.
> I assume your left side tires were not touching the apron.
> I assume you have a couple of laps on the tires to get some heat and air
> pressure in them.

> Did you spin when you get on the gas
> or when you back off the gas the tail end steps out
> what track
>     flat, low bank, high bank.

> Norman







> > > > I agree that the default fast setups tend to be tight.
> > > > I usually start with the "fast" setup and loosen it up a ton. That
> is a
> > > good
> > > > starting
> > > > point for me anyway. I usually add wedge, increase tape based on
> > weather,
> > > > reduce
> > > > the spoiler, etc. Gives me something to work with and start
> > tweaking.....

> > > Hey Joe, adding wedge loosens a car? I think I know what you meant,
> but
> > > taking wedge out (negative wedge) loosens my setups...lowering the
> spoiler
> > > works, as does playing with the track bar, raising the right side
> track
> > bar
> > > will cause the car to turn left better but must be carefully
> balanced with
> > > the wedeg setting to prevent constant spinning. When tweaking a
> setup,
> > watch
> > > the front roll couple %, cars work best when it is in the low to mid
> 70's
> > to
> > > me.

> >   Alright, so if I take the Papyrus setups and (more often than
> not)spin
> > midcorner, what should I be doing to minimize that???
> > dave henrie

John Pancoas

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by John Pancoas » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:37:57

  If you're using a fixed setup, sounds like you're going in to hard, and
trying to come off the same.

  Roll into the gas, don't stomp on it, and try a different entry marker.

  The default setups are extremely hard to spin.

-John


>   track?  Heck I don't need no track!  I can spin in the pits!!
>   No sorry....
>         Usually it's early when the tires are cold,  starts like at Texas,
I
> have a real problem exiting turns...the back end comes around and I nose
> dive for the inside wall.  At many tracks, like Atlanta the other night, I
> lose the back end at the midpoint...trying to transisiton from off the gas
> to power...
>   I did view some of the Papyrus tutorials, and the power off over steer
> seemed to describe me fairly well.
> dave henrie


> > >   Alright, so if I take the Papyrus setups and (more often than
> > not)spin
> > > midcorner, what should I be doing to minimize that???

> > interesting that you can spin the default (fast?) setup midcorner.

> > I assume you were stable to mid corner and then something happened that
> > made you unstable.
> > I assume your left side tires were not touching the apron.
> > I assume you have a couple of laps on the tires to get some heat and air
> > pressure in them.

> > Did you spin when you get on the gas
> > or when you back off the gas the tail end steps out
> > what track
> >     flat, low bank, high bank.

> > Norman







> > > > > I agree that the default fast setups tend to be tight.
> > > > > I usually start with the "fast" setup and loosen it up a ton. That
> > is a
> > > > good
> > > > > starting
> > > > > point for me anyway. I usually add wedge, increase tape based on
> > > weather,
> > > > > reduce
> > > > > the spoiler, etc. Gives me something to work with and start
> > > tweaking.....

> > > > Hey Joe, adding wedge loosens a car? I think I know what you meant,
> > but
> > > > taking wedge out (negative wedge) loosens my setups...lowering the
> > spoiler
> > > > works, as does playing with the track bar, raising the right side
> > track
> > > bar
> > > > will cause the car to turn left better but must be carefully
> > balanced with
> > > > the wedeg setting to prevent constant spinning. When tweaking a
> > setup,
> > > watch
> > > > the front roll couple %, cars work best when it is in the low to mid
> > 70's
> > > to
> > > > me.

> > >   Alright, so if I take the Papyrus setups and (more often than
> > not)spin
> > > midcorner, what should I be doing to minimize that???
> > > dave henrie

Dave Henri

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by Dave Henri » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:49:40

"John Pancoast" >   The default setups are extremely hard to spin.
  You forget...I'm a pro at that kind of thing...:)
dh

John Pancoas

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by John Pancoas » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:55:36

  Baloney<G>  You blew my doors off plenty in TPTCC.

-John


JoeZ

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by JoeZ » Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:17:30

I stand corrected. I meant negative but didn't say it!




> > I agree that the default fast setups tend to be tight.
> > I usually start with the "fast" setup and loosen it up a ton. That is a
> good
> > starting
> > point for me anyway. I usually add wedge, increase tape based on
weather,
> > reduce
> > the spoiler, etc. Gives me something to work with and start
tweaking.....

> Hey Joe, adding wedge loosens a car? I think I know what you meant, but
> taking wedge out (negative wedge) loosens my setups...lowering the spoiler
> works, as does playing with the track bar, raising the right side track
bar
> will cause the car to turn left better but must be carefully balanced with
> the wedeg setting to prevent constant spinning. When tweaking a setup,
watch
> the front roll couple %, cars work best when it is in the low to mid 70's
to
> me.

Brian Oste

nascar 2002: to hard to drive ?

by Brian Oste » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:40:49

I usually take the fast setup and reduce the front sprint rate A LOT.
Maybe shift some weight back, take out some wedge, and raise the track
bar.  The biggest thing is the front springs, however.

Brian Oster



>I agree that the default fast setups tend to be tight.
>I usually start with the "fast" setup and loosen it up a ton. That is a good
>starting
>point for me anyway. I usually add wedge, increase tape based on weather,
>reduce
>the spoiler, etc. Gives me something to work with and start tweaking.....



>> Setups are the key.  If you don't have a good setup, it can make the
>> game seem almost impossible.  The "fast" setups that ship with N2002
>> usually tend to be very tight.  Download some setups from
>> team-lightspeed and try those out.  You will probably find that they
>> seem very loose (unless you are a much better driver than me) so you
>> will need to learn how to modify them to fit your driving style.



>> >Hello folks,

>> >I have been playing racingsims like GPL, Nascar 4 etc since indy 500 from
>> >papy .

>> >I have been playing the Nascar season 2002 demo now for some weeks. (i
>have
>> >not seen the full game in stores in Holland yet).

>> >Although i am not a bad GPL driver i must admit that i have serious
>problems
>> >playing N2002 season in Simulation mode.
>> >When driving in a full field in Atlanta, it is almost impossible for me
>not
>> >to hit the car next to me in the corners. When i am on the outside, it
>seems
>> >that they push me further to the outside into the wall. When i'm on the
>> >inside i can hardly hold my line and i tend to drift to the outside,
>hitting
>> >the car next to me.

>> >Does anyone have the same problems ? Or is it just me ? Although i am not
>a
>> >top sim driver, i have won several online races with Nascar 4 and never
>had
>> >these problems before.

>> >Regards

>> >R.Denessen

>> Brian Oster

Brian Oster

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