In 2002 I have noticed that aero effects of other cars around you are
strong. At the start of race with cars in front of you spin the rear
tires pretty easy, even in the fast setup. The default setups usually
have the car weight forward for turn entry stability, which leaves less
weight to help the rear stick, and when you lose the aero downforce
because you are in a crowd it only gets worse. Cold tires, again, only
make things worse.
The reason I asked about the track and the banking is that high bank
tracks help keep the rear end from becoming the front.
How to get the rear end to stick in a crowd. A tortured story indeed.
You can move weight back, so you depend less on aero. But this can make
turn entry "interesting" when you get off the gas.
You move wieight back and the front then wants to slide and not stick
and you then get susceptible to aero push when behind someone.
You soften the read springs to help the rear stick, but then that makes
you tight.
So you stiffen the sway bar, but that is stiffening the rear again, but
in a different way.
So you try raising the track bar, or the left rear to keep the rear
softer, but maintain the car "balance", but these have the effect of
throwing more weight on the RR in proportion to the LR which makes it
easier to spin the rear tires.
Bottom line is that there is no "solution". It varies by driver and
driving style. When in a crowd, the real fix is driver compensation to
the aero effects.
Be smooth.
Try backing off sooner and more gradually and turn more gradually at
turn entry. In the setup guide by Rodney Arndt, he gives a good
guideline. Don't bother playing with setups until you can race the AI
competively at 97%. The idea being that when you learn to drive a setup
that is tight, at a reasonable speed, without totally destroying the
right front, then your driving style and ability is really ready crank
it up. The fast setup can be driven quite fast, but you can trash the
right front quickly with a rough driving style.
The setup guide can be found at
http://www.sportplanet.com/team-lightspeed/b_stanley/guides_main.shtml
Norman
> track? Heck I don't need no track! I can spin in the pits!!
> No sorry....
> Usually it's early when the tires are cold, starts like at
Texas, I
> have a real problem exiting turns...the back end comes around and I
nose
> dive for the inside wall. At many tracks, like Atlanta the other
night, I
> lose the back end at the midpoint...trying to transisiton from off the
gas
> to power...
> I did view some of the Papyrus tutorials, and the power off over
steer
> seemed to describe me fairly well.
> dave henrie
> > > Alright, so if I take the Papyrus setups and (more often than
> > not)spin
> > > midcorner, what should I be doing to minimize that???
> > interesting that you can spin the default (fast?) setup midcorner.
> > I assume you were stable to mid corner and then something happened
that
> > made you unstable.
> > I assume your left side tires were not touching the apron.
> > I assume you have a couple of laps on the tires to get some heat and
air
> > pressure in them.
> > Did you spin when you get on the gas
> > or when you back off the gas the tail end steps out
> > what track
> > flat, low bank, high bank.
> > Norman
> > > > > I agree that the default fast setups tend to be tight.
> > > > > I usually start with the "fast" setup and loosen it up a ton.
That
> > is a
> > > > good
> > > > > starting
> > > > > point for me anyway. I usually add wedge, increase tape based
on
> > > weather,
> > > > > reduce
> > > > > the spoiler, etc. Gives me something to work with and start
> > > tweaking.....
> > > > Hey Joe, adding wedge loosens a car? I think I know what you
meant,
> > but
> > > > taking wedge out (negative wedge) loosens my setups...lowering
the
> > spoiler
> > > > works, as does playing with the track bar, raising the right
side
> > track
> > > bar
> > > > will cause the car to turn left better but must be carefully
> > balanced with
> > > > the wedeg setting to prevent constant spinning. When tweaking a
> > setup,
> > > watch
> > > > the front roll couple %, cars work best when it is in the low to
mid
> > 70's
> > > to
> > > > me.
> > > Alright, so if I take the Papyrus setups and (more often than
> > not)spin
> > > midcorner, what should I be doing to minimize that???
> > > dave henrie
