> >Steve,
> >I tend to agree. It's a lot of fun, and challenging. What struck me (I've
> >been spending most of my time with GPL, and I have a 4X4 in real life that
> >I've done a lot of blasting down logging roads and such) is the amount of
> >grip offered in CMR. I know there's a big difference between 1967 bias ply
> >racing tires and suspension technology and 1998 radial tires and modern
> >suspensions, but not enough to overcome the difference between dry pavement
> >and dirt/gravel/mud. It seems like they modeled the physics based on what
> >it "looks" like on TV or videos rather than how *** tires and weight
> >shift/mass interacts with low traction surfaces. The drivers on TV make it
> >"look" a lot easier than it is.
> Isn't that the point though, even in the most accurate sim, to make it
> 'feel' real not be real? If it was totally realistic we wouldn't be able to
> drive at all, let alone go for lap times and wins. I saw Winfield put 2 of
> their rally guys in the Williams F1 car as a publicity stunt. These are
> drivers who know what their doing and one crashed before the first corner
> whilst the other one crashed on the first corner as the car was so hard to
> drive.
> Dean
I think to a certian extent it depends on the developer's objective. By
definition a simulation can never be real.
I'm basing my opinion on the driving model in GPL, which seems to have
become something of a new standard in physics modeling. After some
initial grumbling about GPL's physics model being too hard to drive most
seem to accept that it's at least accurate (and some probably don't).
I think CMR (and I have the full version, here in the US) is a lot of
fun, and I can't get anywhere near the record times for the various
stages, but after spending most of an afternoon and evening playing with
it (drove most of the stages multiple times)I kept thinking that it
seemed like the physics were modeling too much grip for the speeds and
horsepower the cars were capable of. What I kept thinking was it sure
seems like there's more grip on this dirt, gravel, mud, in the rain,
whatever than there was in GPL on clean dry pavement.
And to parrallel your antecdote about Winfield and Williams, after
driving probably a thousand simulated miles in the rally cars, when I
jumped back in the open wheeled roadsters in GPL I "crashed on the first
corner as the car was so hard to drive", so maybe CMR models grip just
fine. :-) I really don't think so (MHO) and that's why I'm laying
off it for a while. It screws up my GPL driving.
P.S. Just picked up Viper Racing during lunch. Tonight I'll find out
how it compares to GPL's physics model and if it too screws up my GPL
driving.
-Mike
