rec.autos.simulators

VROC needs $$$$

Rob Swindell

VROC needs $$$$

by Rob Swindell » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 06:13:12

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Joakim Lauridse

VROC needs $$$$

by Joakim Lauridse » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 02:58:37



I might be out of line, bur: NO it doesn't. The guy hosting the racelist
needs money too keep it all to himself. People were standing in line to
offer free hosting of the racelist but it was declined. If he wants to go it
alone, he can do so, but then I would expect him to do pay for it himself
too. I don't thnk it is rigth to say that if we don't pay VROC is dead,
because the free alternative would probably still be there, if the guy
behind would give in. At the moment he is saying: To keep it free, you have
to pay. I don't get it.

Joakim

Phillip Malphrus, Jr

VROC needs $$$$

by Phillip Malphrus, Jr » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 03:41:21

Well, I understand Guy's POV in that letter. If he gives it up, then later
on they could charge to use it. I think if the folks offering to host it for
free would provide in a contract that it must be kept free or Guy gets the
full use back and they have to take it down, though, that would solve that
issue...

Just an opinion from someone who knows nothing about this except what's on
the web page,
Phillip



meddelelse

> > http://www.simracingmag.com/

> I might be out of line, bur: NO it doesn't. The guy hosting the racelist
> needs money too keep it all to himself. People were standing in line to
> offer free hosting of the racelist but it was declined. If he wants to go
it
> alone, he can do so, but then I would expect him to do pay for it himself
> too. I don't thnk it is rigth to say that if we don't pay VROC is dead,
> because the free alternative would probably still be there, if the guy
> behind would give in. At the moment he is saying: To keep it free, you
have
> to pay. I don't get it.

> Joakim

David Butte

VROC needs $$$$

by David Butte » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 03:56:06


<Snip>

Perhaps there's a confusion here between the two meanings of "free" -
as GNU would say, "free beer" is not the same as "free speech".

We already know that VROC is not going to be made open source, and
that's that - which is, of course, disappointing, but the owner of a
program has an *absolute right* to do what he wants with it - there
isn't any point in saying stupid things like "you must do this and
that". (Maybe someone could write a WINE-like program to simulate VROC
commands without using any copyrighted code ;-) )

When Guy talks about turning down offers to host VROC (which
would otherwise have been a good thing to accept) because he wants to
make sure it "will always be free for everyone to use", the logical
conclusion is that he discovered that all the people offering to host
would only do it on certain conditions (eg that they would have the
right to split themselves off from the "main" VROC), which Guy was not
prepared to accept. If that's the case, I agree with him.

Let's be honest, most of us are, in our heart of hearts, selfish about
this. All we want is to fire up VROC and race, and we don't much care
about the structures behind it. Looks like we ned to open our eyes a
bit now.

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Eldre

VROC needs $$$$

by Eldre » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 15:25:54



>When Guy talks about turning down offers to host VROC (which
>would otherwise have been a good thing to accept) because he wants to
>make sure it "will always be free for everyone to use", the logical
>conclusion is that he discovered that all the people offering to host
>would only do it on certain conditions (eg that they would have the
>right to split themselves off from the "main" VROC), which Guy was not
>prepared to accept. If that's the case, I agree with him.

Well, not all.  Peter Burke from Speedcenter offered a server to host.  AFAIK
there were NO stipulations at all, Peter just wanted to keep the thing going.
Also AFAIK, Guy never even *responded* to him... :(
Hell, *I* considered offering a server, but I'm dissatisfied with my job(where
my servers are), so I probably won't be there long.

Eldred
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David Butte

VROC needs $$$$

by David Butte » Tue, 09 Oct 2001 08:36:27


<snip>

That I didn't know (or if I did, I'd forgotten). Seems odd, but
obviously, I don't know all the details, so I won't go on with this
thread.

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John Pancoas

VROC needs $$$$

by John Pancoas » Tue, 09 Oct 2001 13:59:23

  Wouldn't anyone else, new,  have to get the same permission from
Papy/Sierra that it took to get VROC going in the first place?

-John



meddelelse

> > http://www.simracingmag.com/

> I might be out of line, bur: NO it doesn't. The guy hosting the racelist
> needs money too keep it all to himself. People were standing in line to
> offer free hosting of the racelist but it was declined. If he wants to go
it
> alone, he can do so, but then I would expect him to do pay for it himself
> too. I don't thnk it is rigth to say that if we don't pay VROC is dead,
> because the free alternative would probably still be there, if the guy
> behind would give in. At the moment he is saying: To keep it free, you
have
> to pay. I don't get it.

> Joakim


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