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Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

Steve Smit

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Steve Smit » Fri, 09 May 2003 19:47:20

I think the 350Z was *designed* by Sega!



Steve Smit

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Steve Smit » Fri, 09 May 2003 19:49:18

MS have given themselves 4 years and $4 billion to dethrone Sony.


Ashley McConnel

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Ashley McConnel » Fri, 09 May 2003 19:52:51


Steve.........Virtual world.....Real World.....Virtual World....Real World
:)

Steve Smit

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Steve Smit » Fri, 09 May 2003 19:51:02

Save yer $$$ for GT4 and the upgraded PS2 (both due by Xmas) and I'll race
you online.


> On Tue, 06 May 2003 20:44:04 GMT, "Steve Smith"

> >I've had mine for 6 months and it seems bulletproof.  But then, I've kept
my
> >destructive 10-year-old away from it.  (He got--and prefers--the Xbox pf
the
> >2 consoles I got for the MT story.)

> Weird.  I would have assumed he preferred the PS2, it seems to have
> many more games for kids.

> I'm thinking I may use the security deposit I'm receiving from moving
> this month to pick up a ps2 and a bunch of games.  With Vice City for
> the PC around the corner, I'm not so sure tho.

> Jason

Steve Simpso

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Steve Simpso » Fri, 09 May 2003 20:45:06

Nah...Project Gotham 2 will own GT4 if history is anything to go by.

Joe M

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Joe M » Fri, 09 May 2003 23:05:51

Given that Sony NEEDS the PS2 to succeed as a company while a complete Xbox
failure would have no significant impact on MFST financials there's little
doubt MSFT will succeed if not lead in the console market.  They have the
greatest luxury; tons of $$$ and no fear/desperation.  MSFT knows it's
better to own 60% of this market in 5+ years when gross revenue doubles or
triples.  This has always been a long-term strategy for MSFT and I wouldn't
be surprised if their "losses" are less than anticipated so they're ahead of
schedule.

Loyalty doesn't exist in that market segment so if the Xbox2 has greater or
equal market share to the PS2 you can be sure key developers will let
exclusivity contracts expire and develop games for the Xbox 2.  It happened
to Sega, it happened to Nintendo, it will likely happen to Sony.  No one
stays on top forever in the console game.

--
Joe M.


> MS have given themselves 4 years and $4 billion to dethrone Sony.



> > Ruud Dingemans
> >  It has only *one* thing it's afraid of: Linux.

> > > Regards, Ruud

> >    For several years MS was afraid of AOL.  Not anymore I thinks.

> > dave henrie

Ruud van Ga

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Ruud van Ga » Sat, 10 May 2003 02:24:05





...
>> Sound quality can be ok on PS2; it has an optical digital output so
>> basically anything can be done. Dolby Digital 5.1 is supported by some
>> games (http://www.dolby.com/games/sony.ps2.faq.html)

>The PS2 may have DD 5.1 but it sounds nothing like any Xbox game and it's
>not available in most titles (whereas on the Xbox DD 5.1 is the rule rather
>than the exception).  When I hooked up my Xbox (after trading in my PS2) I
>was FLOORED by the audio quality.  The PS2 never sounded as good.

I see indeed that the XBox has DD hardware included. Quite nice.

...

Hehe, welcome to the ancient PC architectures. :) Just about any
non-PC I've ever worked with has better multitasking than PC's (be it
Windows or Linux-Intel). Must be something with those interrupts.

The XBox is a bit too PC-y for me personally. On the other hand, when
playing games, I hugely go for gameplay. Graphics gets better but it's
ok as it is mostly these days, audio should be surround, I agree, but
once you're there you get to the limits of what graphics & audio can
do for your game (gosh, I've seen too much GameDev material ;-) ).
An old arcade game like Galaxians can sometimes still take me away
from NFS. :) Pure gameplay.

Immersion is the next frontier. You have the hardware, but now the
content must be right.

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art  : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

Ruud van Ga

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Ruud van Ga » Sat, 10 May 2003 02:30:36

On Tue, 06 May 2003 20:50:54 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>Is that a lightbulb I see above yer head?  After denigrating the idea of a
>"thin client," the Internet Appliance, A/V convergence, and even trashing
>their own invention (Web TV), Microsoft has finally come around to the idea
>of a PC for the rest of the family, i.e., one atop (or next to) the TV in
>the living room.

I'm abit old-school. I use my cellphone for calling only for example.
I don't surf with it, since the screen is so small it's the same as
moving from nice analog TV signal to those dirty MPEG AVI's that our
Discovery Channel here broadcasts. :) The old stuff was better.

I don't WANT my TV to become a computer. A TV is for relaxed watching
mostly. Still, there is an entire generation (and perhaps more to
come) that seems to want to interact more.

I like specialized machines; a car that drivers, a computer that plays
some games and computes, a PS2 that plays games troublefree. Hell, I
even hate to use my DVD player to play CD's since it takes ages for it
to discover what it has just sucked in. My ***CD player just opens &
closes, plays the thing and that's it. My phone should just call,
instead of try and run my agenda.
A console should play games, and not try to do it all and get lots of
uses, and become mediocre for all those uses.

That's my theory. I might live on Mars though and have it all wrong.
It's just my little universe. ;-)

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Pencil art  : http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Steve Smit

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Steve Smit » Sat, 10 May 2003 03:27:26

I guess you haven't heard: one of the biggest aftermarket companies in Japan
is owned by the guy who designed GT3.  RW drivers kept clamoring for the
mods he introduced in the game...so he started making RW add-on pieces for
rice-burners like the Skyline, and today it's a multi-million-dollar biz.
Real?  Virtual?  What's the diff?




> > I think the 350Z was *designed* by Sega!

> Steve.........Virtual world.....Real World.....Virtual World....Real World
> :)

Steve Smit

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Steve Smit » Sat, 10 May 2003 03:28:45

A billion here, a billion there...after a while it starts to add up to some
REAL money.  (And we're not talking yen.)


> Given that Sony NEEDS the PS2 to succeed as a company while a complete
Xbox
> failure would have no significant impact on MFST financials there's little
> doubt MSFT will succeed if not lead in the console market.  They have the
> greatest luxury; tons of $$$ and no fear/desperation.  MSFT knows it's
> better to own 60% of this market in 5+ years when gross revenue doubles or
> triples.  This has always been a long-term strategy for MSFT and I
wouldn't
> be surprised if their "losses" are less than anticipated so they're ahead
of
> schedule.

> Loyalty doesn't exist in that market segment so if the Xbox2 has greater
or
> equal market share to the PS2 you can be sure key developers will let
> exclusivity contracts expire and develop games for the Xbox 2.  It
happened
> to Sega, it happened to Nintendo, it will likely happen to Sony.  No one
> stays on top forever in the console game.

> --
> Joe M.



> > MS have given themselves 4 years and $4 billion to dethrone Sony.



> > > Ruud Dingemans
> > >  It has only *one* thing it's afraid of: Linux.

> > > > Regards, Ruud

> > >    For several years MS was afraid of AOL.  Not anymore I thinks.

> > > dave henrie

Steve Smit

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Steve Smit » Sat, 10 May 2003 03:30:27

PSM, the PS2 mag, loves Midnight Club 2 (which I haven't played).  They gave
it a 10.


Todd Walke

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Todd Walke » Sat, 10 May 2003 14:50:25


It's fun for an hour or so but then it gets pretty boring. Not even in
the same league as GT3.

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http://twalker.d2g.com
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Stefan Larsso

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Stefan Larsso » Sat, 10 May 2003 15:10:35




>>PSM, the PS2 mag, loves Midnight Club 2 (which I haven't played).  They gave
>>it a 10.

> It's fun for an hour or so but then it gets pretty boring. Not even in
> the same league as GT3.

I just picked up Ferrari 355 Challenge for PS2 the other day. Thought it
was boring at a start, but then I got hooked. Really fun, despite bad
collision physics and a steering dead-zone... GT3 doesn't have much to
come with there... I don't think I've seen any good review of F355,
everybody just seem to think that it is boring with only one car and
that it is too difficult. I couldn't disagree more!

--
/S

Steve Smit

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Steve Smit » Sat, 10 May 2003 19:55:41

I believe Randy Magruder, of www.digitalsports.com, loved Ferrari 355
Challenge.





> >>PSM, the PS2 mag, loves Midnight Club 2 (which I haven't played).  They
gave
> >>it a 10.

> > It's fun for an hour or so but then it gets pretty boring. Not even in
> > the same league as GT3.

> I just picked up Ferrari 355 Challenge for PS2 the other day. Thought it
> was boring at a start, but then I got hooked. Really fun, despite bad
> collision physics and a steering dead-zone... GT3 doesn't have much to
> come with there... I don't think I've seen any good review of F355,
> everybody just seem to think that it is boring with only one car and
> that it is too difficult. I couldn't disagree more!

> --
> /S

Joe M

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Joe M » Sat, 10 May 2003 21:39:57





> >>PSM, the PS2 mag, loves Midnight Club 2 (which I haven't played).  They
gave
> >>it a 10.

> > It's fun for an hour or so but then it gets pretty boring. Not even in
> > the same league as GT3.

> I just picked up Ferrari 355 Challenge for PS2 the other day. Thought it
> was boring at a start, but then I got hooked. Really fun, despite bad
> collision physics and a steering dead-zone... GT3 doesn't have much to
> come with there... I don't think I've seen any good review of F355,
> everybody just seem to think that it is boring with only one car and
> that it is too difficult. I couldn't disagree more!

It was better on the Dreamcast.  I had a Thrustmaster Ferrari wheel which
had no FF (since the DC didn't support FF) but tight and precise steering
(which become tighter the more you turned the wheel) giving it surprisingly
good feel for a $40 wheel.   The steering response was great and there was
no annoying dead zone issue that I recall.  It's really a shame the DC
tanked since for its time it had the best driving sims/games.

--
Joe M.


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