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Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

Jason Moy

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Jason Moy » Wed, 07 May 2003 22:54:35



New ground for Sony would be building a console that didn't break
every 3 months.

Jason

Joe M

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Joe M » Wed, 07 May 2003 22:57:00





> ...
> >Anyone who buys a PS2 because they think it's technically superior needs
> >their head examined.  The only valid reasons for buying a PS2 are:-

> >1. You don't like Microsoft (fair enough)

> >2. You prefer safety in numbers (sales) and don't really care about
graphics
> >or sound quality.

> Sound quality can be ok on PS2; it has an optical digital output so
> basically anything can be done. Dolby Digital 5.1 is supported by some
> games (http://www.racesimcentral.net/)

The PS2 may have DD 5.1 but it sounds nothing like any Xbox game and it's
not available in most titles (whereas on the Xbox DD 5.1 is the rule rather
than the exception).  When I hooked up my Xbox (after trading in my PS2) I
was FLOORED by the audio quality.  The PS2 never sounded as good.

MS has spanked PS2 technologically speaking and frankly I don't see the huge
advantage of 600 mediocre titles for the selective mature gamer.  If you're
a PC fan first then the Xbox is a great choice for sports, shooters and a
few driving games.  If the console is your only *** platform than the
sheer volume of PS2 games might be more important to you (I vote for quality
over quantity and haven't missed the PS2).

The only thing holding the Xbox back is the cross-platform development
catering to the lowest common denominator (PS2).  There's even a piece on
this about the Matrix game.  Sony's marketing $$$ insured that the game was
developed for their console first and ported to the Xbox and GC.  There's no
question an Xbox only Matrix game would be superior.  It's a shame that
older hardware is holding the industry back.

--
Joe M.

Ruud van Ga

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Ruud van Ga » Wed, 07 May 2003 23:17:32





>> Anyways, I was playing Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec at my friends house just this
>> week. It's a game that you can pop in, and everyone can get into it. That's
>> what console games are all about. But wow.. does it look beautiful. I'd
>> STILL say it has the most realistic graphics. I can't pin down why... maybe
>> the textures and the lighting??

>> It's like, everything was made to look REAL. Take the car models from
>> GTR2002, they're definately more detailed. The skins are higher resolution,
>> etc. But a replay of the GT3spec viper is way more likely to be a television
>> broadcast of the real thing in my opinion. I just don't know why though.
>> Maybe because everything is so CLEAN or, artifically dirty in video games
>> now.. or lighting isn't done right. I have no clue..

>I haven't been able to put my finger on it either but you are right --
>the graphics in GT3 are amazing. The main reason I play the game is to
>watch the replays. The car models are dead on accurate, the camera views
>are realistic (for the most part,) the lighting and textures are first
>rate, and the frame rate is excellent.

The reflections are great, the shadows work wonders (driving under a
banner, that sort of stuff).
Also, a simple camera thing is used; camera targets that move
realistically. Most games just target the car so it's in the dead
center, which gives a clean feel. If you've played Moto GP2 or GP3,
you can see they add 2 sine motions to the target, which is better
than nothing, but still sucks.
GT3 seems to use a target with mass and uses forces to point to the
car. Well, at least that's how I'm going to do it. :)

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art  : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

Steve Smit

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Steve Smit » Thu, 08 May 2003 05:40:28

No, there's only *one* reason to buy a PS2: BETTER GAMES!


Steve Smit

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Steve Smit » Thu, 08 May 2003 05:42:18

Which is precisely why Sony is upgrading the sound in the PS2-1/2.






> > ...
> > >Anyone who buys a PS2 because they think it's technically superior
needs
> > >their head examined.  The only valid reasons for buying a PS2 are:-

> > >1. You don't like Microsoft (fair enough)

> > >2. You prefer safety in numbers (sales) and don't really care about
> graphics
> > >or sound quality.

> > Sound quality can be ok on PS2; it has an optical digital output so
> > basically anything can be done. Dolby Digital 5.1 is supported by some
> > games (http://www.racesimcentral.net/)

> The PS2 may have DD 5.1 but it sounds nothing like any Xbox game and it's
> not available in most titles (whereas on the Xbox DD 5.1 is the rule
rather
> than the exception).  When I hooked up my Xbox (after trading in my PS2) I
> was FLOORED by the audio quality.  The PS2 never sounded as good.

> MS has spanked PS2 technologically speaking and frankly I don't see the
huge
> advantage of 600 mediocre titles for the selective mature gamer.  If
you're
> a PC fan first then the Xbox is a great choice for sports, shooters and a
> few driving games.  If the console is your only *** platform than the
> sheer volume of PS2 games might be more important to you (I vote for
quality
> over quantity and haven't missed the PS2).

> The only thing holding the Xbox back is the cross-platform development
> catering to the lowest common denominator (PS2).  There's even a piece on
> this about the Matrix game.  Sony's marketing $$$ insured that the game
was
> developed for their console first and ported to the Xbox and GC.  There's
no
> question an Xbox only Matrix game would be superior.  It's a shame that
> older hardware is holding the industry back.

> --
> Joe M.

Steve Smit

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Steve Smit » Thu, 08 May 2003 05:44:04

I've had mine for 6 months and it seems bulletproof.  But then, I've kept my
destructive 10-year-old away from it.  (He got--and prefers--the Xbox pf the
2 consoles I got for the MT story.)




> >It's just a shame that it takes an evil, monopolistic company like
Microsoft
> >to give an even less ethical company like Sony some competition.  The PS3
> >*may* actually contain some decent hardware for a change.  That would be
new
> >ground for Sony and it'd be thanks to pressure from Microsoft.

> New ground for Sony would be building a console that didn't break
> every 3 months.

> Jason

Steve Smit

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Steve Smit » Thu, 08 May 2003 05:50:54

Is that a lightbulb I see above yer head?  After denigrating the idea of a
"thin client," the Internet Appliance, A/V convergence, and even trashing
their own invention (Web TV), Microsoft has finally come around to the idea
of a PC for the rest of the family, i.e., one atop (or next to) the TV in
the living room.  The Xbox "Lite" is a leave-behind to battle the "PS2-1/2"
while the Xbox 2 will be what the gamers always suspected the Xbox 1 was: a
Trojan Horse to get MS into the home entertainment biz.  The paranoid
grognards were right after all: there IS somebody out to get them!



> On Mon, 5 May 2003 21:57:24 -0300, "K e v i n ?"

> >Now that would be sweet.  They are loosing $100+ per box only if their
users
> >don't buy the 9+ games they are supposed to (read that this was the
> >average).   Doesn't matter, they are in this for the long haul.  Loosing
> >$100 a box is there admission price to this competition.

> What if the XBox2 comes out before they get enough games cash to win
> back the $100?

> And with too many features, an XBox would turn back into a... PC?!

> Ruud van Gaal
> Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
> Pencil art  : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

Jon

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Jon » Thu, 08 May 2003 07:26:18




> >>Wow.. the consoles have won

> > Graphics smalphiscs, WHO CARES!!

> > The Gran Turismo series doesn't even equal the quality in physics and
game
> > engine complexities of NASCAR RACING 3.

> Well, in GT3 I get the opportunity to turn right once in a while for a
> change...  ;)

> --
> /S

Agreed, I love the graphics of  N2K3 the effects etc...................the
only
problem with the sim is its Nascar Racing  one of the most damn boring
forms of auto racing ....IMO............but those who enjoy it more power to
ya.
Internet Use

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Internet Use » Thu, 08 May 2003 12:45:12


> Sony makes money on every PS2 they sell (cost long-since amortized) *and* on
> every game.  In fact, Sony's games division is the most profitable in the
> whole company (which includes TV sets, movie studios, music publishers,
> etc.).  MS' games division, OTOH, lost a third of a billion bucks last year.
> Their h/w is hemorrhaging cash and the games aren't selling at all (with a
> couple of obvious exceptions like Halo).

Good thing the PS2 is making money...

  As the "Sony shock" continues to stun investors around the globe, many
are asking: Where were the analysts? Sony had a net loss of 111.1
billion ($927 million) in the three months that ended March 31 - triple
some analysts' estimates. The loss caught markets flat-footed. Really
flat-footed, in fact.

http://www.iht.com/articles/94788.html

Steve Smit

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Steve Smit » Thu, 08 May 2003 20:58:31

Yeah, they lost money almost everywhere EXCEPT games....

To me, the biggest 'shokku' coming off the Pacific Rim is the revitalization
of Nissan after being bought out by Renault.  Talk abt. yer LOSERS!



> > Sony makes money on every PS2 they sell (cost long-since amortized)
*and* on
> > every game.  In fact, Sony's games division is the most profitable in
the
> > whole company (which includes TV sets, movie studios, music publishers,
> > etc.).  MS' games division, OTOH, lost a third of a billion bucks last
year.
> > Their h/w is hemorrhaging cash and the games aren't selling at all (with
a
> > couple of obvious exceptions like Halo).

> Good thing the PS2 is making money...

>   As the "Sony shock" continues to stun investors around the globe, many
> are asking: Where were the analysts? Sony had a net loss of 111.1
> billion ($927 million) in the three months that ended March 31 - triple
> some analysts' estimates. The loss caught markets flat-footed. Really
> flat-footed, in fact.

> http://www.iht.com/articles/94788.html

Shrapne

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Shrapne » Fri, 09 May 2003 01:16:01

Can someone tell me where I can see said screens of GT4?


> Yeah, they lost money almost everywhere EXCEPT games....

> To me, the biggest 'shokku' coming off the Pacific Rim is the
revitalization
> of Nissan after being bought out by Renault.  Talk abt. yer LOSERS!




> > > Sony makes money on every PS2 they sell (cost long-since amortized)
> *and* on
> > > every game.  In fact, Sony's games division is the most profitable in
> the
> > > whole company (which includes TV sets, movie studios, music
publishers,
> > > etc.).  MS' games division, OTOH, lost a third of a billion bucks last
> year.
> > > Their h/w is hemorrhaging cash and the games aren't selling at all
(with
> a
> > > couple of obvious exceptions like Halo).

> > Good thing the PS2 is making money...

> >   As the "Sony shock" continues to stun investors around the globe, many
> > are asking: Where were the analysts? Sony had a net loss of 111.1
> > billion ($927 million) in the three months that ended March 31 - triple
> > some analysts' estimates. The loss caught markets flat-footed. Really
> > flat-footed, in fact.

> > http://www.iht.com/articles/94788.html

Jason Moy

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Jason Moy » Fri, 09 May 2003 03:16:15

On Tue, 06 May 2003 20:44:04 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>I've had mine for 6 months and it seems bulletproof.  But then, I've kept my
>destructive 10-year-old away from it.  (He got--and prefers--the Xbox pf the
>2 consoles I got for the MT story.)

Weird.  I would have assumed he preferred the PS2, it seems to have
many more games for kids.

I'm thinking I may use the security deposit I'm receiving from moving
this month to pick up a ps2 and a bunch of games.  With Vice City for
the PC around the corner, I'm not so sure tho.

Jason

K e v i n

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by K e v i n » Fri, 09 May 2003 07:57:51

Hey don't dis Nissan, their cars are HOT!   Love that 350z.  :-)

PS - It's in Sega GT2002!!!

Ruud Dingeman

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Ruud Dingeman » Fri, 09 May 2003 13:44:46


> etc.).  MS' games division, OTOH, lost a third of a billion bucks last year.
> Their h/w is hemorrhaging cash and the games aren't selling at all (with a
> couple of obvious exceptions like Halo).  The one bright spot in MS' picture
> is that their online program (broadband-only vs. Sony's bb+dial-up) is
> pulling even w. Sony's.

You're forgetting the second and more important bright spot for MS: money.

Micro$oft kan *afford* to be hemorrhaging cash until every competitor is
dead as a doornail. And they will.

Never, never count MS out until it has officially given up - since
history shows it *will* try again until it rules the roost. Completely.

Microsoft is not afraid of Sony and it is not afraid to bleed. On the
contrary, it will bide its time until Sony is weak and ready for a
takeover. It has only *one* thing it's afraid of: Linux.

Regards, Ruud

Dave Henri

Holy crap! Check out these new screens of Gran Turismo 4!

by Dave Henri » Fri, 09 May 2003 13:46:56

Ruud Dingemans
 It has only *one* thing it's afraid of: Linux.
   For several years MS was afraid of AOL.  Not anymore I thinks.

dave henrie


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