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by **David Gar** » Sun, 10 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> [cut a damn lot of bullshit among other things]
> > That is an opinion with out much thought or research.

> > > "..every lap I drive in GP2, I think `Oh bollocks!
> > > This is dreadful..`" David Gary

> hey gary
> what do you really want ?

Something thats worth waiting and paying for. Instead of half-ass,
unfinished, Bullshit! Must I go on...didnt
think so!

why don't you just leave it alone ?

Cant do that, hopefully if WE demand more, we wont have to put up with
settling for something thats far from
finished!

Oh yeah thats a real good idea, hell I might have to to get
something thats worth a crap!

Hey I got something constructive to do, How about telling you to stick
to your Daytona USA's and Need for Speed arcade games and dont bother
with sticking your nose into the REAl racin SIMULATION world!
No, no, I got it, how about I sell you an airplane with out any windows
or a ***ing seats, After I tell
you its on the way then ill wait a year or 2 before giving it to
ya!! -DG

by **David Gar** » Sun, 10 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> My system is P-200, Herc-128 and 32Mb SDRAM - it runs perfectly at 25fps
> with half graphics loaded so I'm not sure of the origin of that factoid
> of yours. With a P-Pro 200 it's even smoother. You know what DOESN'T run
> well on my system with all graphics on - NASCAR, and that's waaaaay
> older than GP2.

Sorry John, I shoulda given more info, That statement was refering to
the framerate tested at
Monaco. (My favorite track and the only track that ,to me, shows more
detail than ICR2). I have a p200 w/mill4meg/lastest triton board,intel
chipset ,512 cache, 32 meg. Also It depend on what you agree
Half detail is- i.e. smoke and high object detail raise the CPU
occupancy higher than, say curbs,
fenses, verges, etc.

Well I dont know where "elsewhere" is, but I'm sure WE both know if I
was "elsewhere" I would have been happy to give my 2 cents worth
then!(grin)
Gp1 used 1 sided bitmaps instead of polyed models(like ICR1) and the
handling felt like I was playing on the ol' Atari 2600, almost reminded
me of Formula 1 at the arcade.
ICR2 ,again to me, was much more convincing and the replay option was
great, I wont even comment on GP1's replay.

Well I dont think we have to take a vote, From what I've read, 9 outa 10
dentists say ICR2 was more of a "SIM"
than GP1.

A figure of speech.
Your actually one of the few that are saying its acceptable!

You are absolutely correct!, Not with people who settle for something
thats not complete.

Yeah, unfortunatly, they cant hit the ball much less a homerun!

is by far the best sim AND arcade racer around at the moment,

Best? What is Best? We will never have the the best sim and in
best something for one group!!

Unfortunately, they bought it not knowing what they were in for. Thats
why their shouting!
If they kept quiet then it will happen again and again, evidently
Microprose could care less!

Well be sure next time you "talk" to them, you let them know that the
majority
of the serious racing fraternity does not accept modem links that chop
the
already "contreversal" framerate in half because they used the link
from a
older game!!
and if we do get a patch/update/new modified release I
I hope so, Hey if you have contact directly with the game designers then
you
should know if their coming out with a patch are not. Are they?!! I hope
so!!

See ya in ***space my friend!! -David Gary

by **John Wallac** » Mon, 11 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Hmmm, I don't think I did misunderstand.

The MAGS said there was network play? So have a go at them, what
justification is that to have a go at Microrpose? The mags also said
there was wet weather, but as far as we published in Sim Racing News
after talking with Microprose, there was NO wet weather. If facts are
reported wrongly because people can't be bothered to check them, then
this is one case you should shoot the messenger.

As for a patch at Christmas, I won't be holding my breath.

Cheers!
John

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by **Mark Rober** » Mon, 11 Nov 1996 04:00:00

>Very well put and handled Mark, I didnt mean to "butt" in , but I was
>just simply posting my opinions in the
>hope that some people would wake up just a little and really start
>demanding more for their patience and money.

At last, we`re in agreement :-) Although I think GP2 is a great game
it seems that GC has gone a little backwards in some areas (as has
already been said). If GP1 had realistic pit stop lengths for damage
and wet weather then why couldn`t\shouldn`t GP2? I was trying to
point out that MPS had in fact sold what they advertised on the box.

<snip>

I know exactly what you mean. Many is the night I`ve got hardly any
sleep because I`ve been extremely close to beating my PB.

<snip>

Cheers, much appreciated.

<snip>

Its a nice vision but I guess its a way off yet.

Mark
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by **Luca Varan** » Tue, 12 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> The MAGS said there was network play? So have a go at them, what
> justification is that to have a go at Microrpose? The mags also said
> there was wet weather, but as far as we published in Sim Racing News
> after talking with Microprose, there was NO wet weather. If facts are
> reported wrongly because people can't be bothered to check them, then
> this is one case you should shoot the messenger.

I need to check on this, but I believe that on the European Version
box changing weather is said to be a feature. Anyone can confirm
this?

Bye,
Luca

by **hallt..** » Tue, 12 Nov 1996 04:00:00

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>> "It" is not that simple. What is?
>The Question was simple not the work in designing the SIM.

>> The game DOES run well on the fastest hardware - I've tried it. The game
>> DOES run well over modem. Cast your mind back to F1GP and remember the
>> hardware demands it made of your PC.

>I dont understand your meaning of "well". 30fps is video speed and is
>the hope of any virtual racing fanatic.
>With p200/mill4meg/512 cache this game wont run 25fps with half graphics
>loaded, so its hard to understand the gray area of "well". Running the
>game via modem cuts the already unaccepted framerate in half, so I
>REALLY find it hard to believe for any serious SIM fanatic to agree with
>that statement. GP1(in my opinion) was a game instead of a true sim. It
>really wasnt that good in its time and i think people only excepted it
>because it was the latest thing going for F1 fans. ICR1(to me) gave the
>first real taste of a virtual racing sim.
>If you ever study the response of interest between the 2 I think youll
>find ICR1 in favor.

I'm not even going to bother answering to this, by saying icr1 is far
better than gp1 you lost possibly all credibility you EVER had wake up
and smell the coffee.

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by **Hen** » Tue, 12 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> >No I think you read what I said wrong. I like the sim and play it to
> >death. i dont give a shit if a patch is made or not. The point is they
> >said IPX net work in the mags Wet weather and more. That is not in the
> >game at the moment.

> Hmmm, I don't think I did misunderstand.

> The MAGS said there was network play? So have a go at them, what
> justification is that to have a go at Microrpose? The mags also said
> there was wet weather, but as far as we published in Sim Racing News
> after talking with Microprose, there was NO wet weather. If facts are
> reported wrongly because people can't be bothered to check them, then
> this is one case you should shoot the messenger.

Are you saying that you NEVER visited or read MP's web site prior
to the release date?!? They explicitly(sp?) said that the game will
feature changing weather and network play!

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by **Julian Anderso** » Tue, 12 Nov 1996 04:00:00

So basically in layman terms, Microprose, couldnt give a shit that the
job is incomplete. They have our money after all.

I dont have much confidence in them anymore. Imagine if Xcom3 or 1944 EAW
are incomplete as well ?? I wonder were you go from here with Microprose.

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by **Julian Anderso** » Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:00:00

From memory, there is nothing about weather or network or any other
`missing` feature on the box of the British version.

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by **Erik van 't Wo** » Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:00:00

On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:59:53 +0000, Luca Varani

?I need to check on this, but I believe that on the European Version
?box changing weather is said to be a feature. Anyone can confirm
?this?

I've bought the English version (in Holland) and the box doesn't
mention anything about (changing) weather conditions.
It does say "multi-player capability" (I guess this is the hot-seat
multiplayer option) and another bullet on the box mentions link and
modem play.

Bye,
Erik.

Erik van 't Woud

by **Free** » Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:00:00

On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:59:53 +0000, Luca Varani

>> The MAGS said there was network play? So have a go at them, what
>> justification is that to have a go at Microrpose? The mags also said
>> there was wet weather, but as far as we published in Sim Racing News
>> after talking with Microprose, there was NO wet weather. If facts are
>> reported wrongly because people can't be bothered to check them, then
>> this is one case you should shoot the messenger.

>I need to check on this, but I believe that on the European Version
>box changing weather is said to be a feature. Anyone can confirm
>this?

it's a pitty, There's no weatherchange button or something like that.

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by **WGA** » Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Same thing on the French Box
--
Gerald ;-)
http://web.club-internet.fr/gaubard

Paris sera toujours Paris...

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by **niteha** » Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Until i get this web page thingy set up this is the only email address to use
to complain bitterly to microprose:

it goes directly to MP UK

by **John Wallac** » Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Why? The site was utter BS and about six months out of date. It was
reported on Microprose forum on CompuServe MANY months before release
that there would be no IPX and from then on we (Sim News) lobbied the
GP2 team to include it.

Changing weather was there, but it basically came to a choice between
further delays or no weather. The decision was made and we live with it
- hopefully only for now.

Cheers!
John

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by **John Wallac** » Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:00:00

My system is P-200, Herc-128 and 32Mb SDRAM - it runs perfectly at 25fps
with half graphics loaded so I'm not sure of the origin of that factoid
of yours. With a P-Pro 200 it's even smoother. You know what DOESN'T run
well on my system with all graphics on - NASCAR, and that's waaaaay
older than GP2.

This has been talked to death elsewhere. I disagree but it's horses for
courses. Youy didn't like it? Fine, let's move on.

If I knew what "response of interest" meant I might do that! That's not
facetious, it's a phrase I've never heard before.

Of course - actually I thought MANY people were saying it's not perfect,
but let's gloss over that for now. Perfect? What is perfect? We will
never have the perfect sim and in perfecting something for one group you
will naturally make it imperfect for another. GP2 covers the bases well,
and is by far the best sim AND arcade racer around at the moment, and
that is the opinion of many of the 300,000 or so who rushed out to buy
it immediately. Some are upset and they are shouting loudly, alas that
is the way of the world.

I know this because I talked a great deal with the development team
during the writing of GP2, and they collected info from certain places,
sifted out the facts and forwarded them to Geoff. We at Sim News did
some work and research for them. So yes, I do believe it.

Glad to hear it, and if we do get a patch/update/new modified release I
will join you in being the happiest group of people on the planet (with
the possible exception of Pamela Anderson's baby - I'm assuming she's
breat feeding). I'm not sure how likely this is and I think we should
approach it in a good manner. We think of this area as our "sounding
off" place, but a lot of people read this who we couldn't imagine.
Opinions are easily formed.

Nice chatting!

Cheers!
John

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