rec.autos.simulators

by **Laurence Lindstr** » Fri, 25 Oct 1996 04:00:00

>> I finally got hold of someone from microprose on the phone.

>> THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR AN UPDATE.

>> This means there will be no Wet Weather, no 1996 expansion disk and most
>> hideous of all no NETWORK SUPPORT. This is no bullshit, it is straight
>> from Microprose technical support.
>> they got
>> what they wanted , shame we wont.

>> I could see this comming GP2 is not designed for network and Micropose
>dont give a shit , they finnished the game got the money and thats it (this
>game cant even dirrect and modem play hows it going to support
>multiplayers).
> The more I play this sim the less sim it seems to be. The graphics are
>great and the little thing, brake lock, wheel spin but the driving side
>seems to be lacking.

<Snip>

It's sad. I love to watch Formula One, and I really enjoy GP2, but
I'd hate to see this as the final cut.

Remember the months before F1GP2's release? There were many rumors.
The most disturbing, to me, was that Geoff Crammond and MicroProse were
in a legal pissing contest. I wonder if their relationship has been
poisoned, and Geoff fulfilled the letter of his agreement, and has left
in disgust, choosing to have no further relationship with MicroProse.
Perhaps it is MicroProse which has terminated the relationship. I don't
know who owns GP2, or who is responsible for further development. It
could be that a split could legally prevent further development.

The above is an expansion of a rumor. For all we know, Geoff and
MicroProse are both happy, friendly, and busy working on a tractor pull
simulator.

The good news is that someone (Psygnosis?) is expected to release a
Formula One sim in December, and Visiware's Starting Grid is due next
year. Screen shots for both look great. Perhaps Geoff/MPS felt that
F1GP2, as good as it was, couldn't compete with these new sims.

We all love it, but there are valid criticizims of F1GP2. I want a
sim with track camber and bumps. Perhaps this was beyond the capacity
of F1GP2's code.

Thanks Geoff and MicroProse, F1GP2 added to my enjoyment when watching
races on TV. Good bye.

Larry

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Reality, there's nothing else quite like it.

by **Shane Lansk** » Fri, 25 Oct 1996 04:00:00

> I finally got hold of someone from microprose on the phone.

> THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR AN UPDATE.

> This means there will be no Wet Weather, no 1996 expansion disk and most
> hideous of all no NETWORK SUPPORT. This is no bullshit, it is straight
> from Microprose technical support.

> If you want to find out more, or hopefully complain bitterly then phone
> Microprose on 01454 893893 when asked for an extension number choose 4102
> this should put you through to Richard Cross, the project manager for GP2 >
> GIVE HIM HELL. Do not ask for Richard Cross, unless you are a company they
> will not let you talk to him.

> address in the manual, this goes direct to mp uk. apparently they do
> answer email.............

> Microprose have sold 600,000 copies of Gp2, they have our money , they got
> what they wanted , shame we wont.

I have E-Mailed Microprose and they told me that they were making an IPX
network upgrade for GP2.

Now this will be interesting to see if this happens as I bought the
***y game for the ipx play as 4 of us get together saturdays night and
have a good old go at the network games. That is why we all went out and
bought it...

by **Julian Anderso** » Fri, 25 Oct 1996 04:00:00

Sounds like Microprose have as you put taken our money and run.

I wonder how we stand legally with an unfinished product, whose
specification is different to one that was advertised on there webb
site only a month or two before launch date ???

I guess its down the human state of greed. I know we were eagerly awaiting
the product, but I think we could of waited another month to see if
FINISHED

On your note of getting through to people, I am afraid that is one major
problem with the computer industry, they all seem to hide behind answer
phones or engaged tones, like anyone who has tried to talk to Diamond
Technical will know.

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by **Gary Robert Young** » Fri, 25 Oct 1996 04:00:00

I really think the original author had a point. Surely it would be much
better to have sacrificed <clouds> and other such <lovelies. for a spot of
wet weather. After all, wet weather oftern plays a very big part in F1.
Just look at Spa and Suzuka :))

Here's hoping for wet weather in Grand Prix 5 ;))

Gary

by **Joseph Mar** » Fri, 25 Oct 1996 04:00:00

writes:

says...

>>Dear oh deary me! The old adage is true...."you'll never satisfy
100% of
>>the people 100% of the time"!!
>>Even if GP2 had wet weather, plans for 1996/97 updated teams/tracks
and
>>network play, some people would STILL find something to complain
about!
>>Do you REALLY have such a boring life?

>>BruceK

>Tell you what i'll agree to sell you a top of the range tv with all
the bells
>and whistles, i'll take 2 years to arrive but when it does you won't
want
>to watch anything else. i'll take your cash, and give you a black and
white
>model and laugh all the way to the bank knowing you wont complain.

Then maybe you've learned a good lesson. Rent the game first,or play
it at a friend's house and then decide if you want to spend upwards of
$50 on the game. That's why I decided long ago to play the game first
before I buy it. There are plenty of games that don't hold my interest
long enough. I don't purchase those games. This newsgroup is a forum
for people's opinions about sims. If you had listened to the opinions
voiced here about the game, as well as the lack of certain features,
then maybe you wouldn't have bought the game in the first place. I, on
the other hand, am very happy with the game, and find it to be a great
improvement over GP1, whether it has wet weather and network support,
or not.

JDM

by **Richard Walk** » Fri, 25 Oct 1996 04:00:00

On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 00:34:01 +1100, Shane Lansky

>Now this will be interesting to see if this happens as I bought the
>***y game for the ipx play as 4 of us get together saturdays night and
>have a good old go at the network games. That is why we all went out and
>bought it...

I guess it's true, there _is_ one born every minute. Four in this case
;-)

Richard

by **John Wallac** » Fri, 25 Oct 1996 04:00:00

So I suppose every other racing sim on the market must be a valve model
"John Logie Baird" special?

GP2 is hardly the "black and white portable" of racing sims, that is
VERY harsh.

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by **David Gar** » Fri, 25 Oct 1996 04:00:00

> STANDING OVATION, MIKE! ENCORE!
> (I'm fed up with people whinging about this sim. They can't accept it for
> what it is....a ***y good SIMULATION!!!!) READ MY LIPS, FOLKS......IT'S
> A SIMULATION, A GAME...NOT REAL LIFE!!

> brucek

Who cares with what your fed up with! We post these complaints to get
the "SERIOUS" racing
SIM fraternity to wake up and smell the BULLSHIT. As a hobbie, some of
us wont settle for
HALF-ASS and we need to kick these designers in the ass to insure the
integrity of the racing SIMS to come.
Dont respond to these posts if you settle for second best. Evidently
your maturity in the racing sim
evolution is not to a level yet to respect! -David Gary

by **David Gar** » Fri, 25 Oct 1996 04:00:00

> Insult folks on the newsgroups? That's the pot calling the kettle black,
> ain't it? And where do you get your statistics that "most folks feel that
> way (unsatisfied)"? The McNair-Anderson Poll or did you do quick 'phone
> around the USA? How about the silent majority out there, who haven't
> mentioned anything about the game?

> No, I'm not satisfied 100% of the ***y time...far from it...but I don't
> BUY a game and then complain like crazy about what is or isn't up to my
> expectations. I find out first. With your attitude you probably buy a car
> without first testing it!

> If you want to complain...do so to the publishers/programmers. They're the
> people who can change things, not us!

> brucek

Settle down Beavis!
These posts are not directed toward you and BTW the programmers and
designers
read these posts often. So I guess in order to "TEST drive these sims"
we need
to PIRATE them before buying?!! Get real!! -David Gary

by **David Gar** » Fri, 25 Oct 1996 04:00:00

> On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:03:19 -0500, David Gary

> >AND GEOFF CRAMMOND NEEDS TO GO BACK
> >TO PROGRAMING SCHOOL OR HELL, JUST GO TO PROGRAMMING SCHOOL!!! BTW,

> Since you are such a "TRUE" racing sim fanatic (sic) I am sure that
> you yourself recognise the above for the drivel it is. Or have you
> forgotten that Geoff has been producing landmark racing sims for the
> last 12 years.

> Richard

Please dont tell me I have to reply to such an intelligent lifeform!
PLEASE! PLEASE! tell me these so-called landmark racing sims
you refer to! What GP1? I'd rather set myself on fire than waste
my time with that non sense of a game. Save the word "landmark"
to the real pioneers of the virtual racing world, like Papyrus.

by **David Gar** » Fri, 25 Oct 1996 04:00:00

> I sincerely hope that they don't. If they read the drivel you've been
> spouting we'll never get another decent sim. Face it, would you spend
> 2 years on a project only to be subjected to juvenile rantings?

> Richard

Well isnt that special? The God of marketing has spoken! Get a grip!
Are you fluent in babble? Are is it just a bad habbit?!
The Bottom line is, instead of worrying what other people think, suggest
what could make this sim better instead of replying to posts that are
not directed toward you. Is this how you wast your time little man
murmer?!

by **David Gar** » Fri, 25 Oct 1996 04:00:00

> You really haven't got a clue what you are talking about have you?
> Constantly repeating the same pathetic quotes won't get anyone
> believing you. The majority of seasoned sim veterans can recognise the
> incredible driving model that GP2 offers. Good modem and network
> support would be "nice to haves" but in a racing sim (as you should
> know since you're such an expert) the driving model is all.

> Richard

I am not here to try to "con" anyone into believing me. I could care
less.
The fact is anyone with even entry level experience in racing sims like
yourself can plainly see that GP2 is far from finished. Evidently I have
to keep repeating my statements so they will get through to the
pathetic mass between your ears. If you read my prior post (maybe I'll
have to repeat it) you will see that I DO agree the driving model is
excellent
in GP2 but "MODEL" is only half of a sim. That is ALL this sim offers.
You will
understand this when you get some experience behind your belt, till then
have fun with GP2, because thats what its all about! Someday you will
aquire
the knowledge to understand my statements. Till then keep practicing.

by **R Gre** » Sat, 26 Oct 1996 04:00:00

>I really think the original author had a point. Surely it would be much
>better to have sacrificed <clouds> and other such <lovelies. for a spot of
>wet weather. After all, wet weather oftern plays a very big part in F1.
>Just look at Spa and Suzuka :))

>Here's hoping for wet weather in Grand Prix 5 ;))

>Gary

>> Dear oh deary me! The old adage is true...."you'll never satisfy 100% of
>> the people 100% of the time"!!
>> Even if GP2 had wet weather, plans for 1996/97 updated teams/tracks and
>> network play, some people would STILL find something to complain about!
>> Do you REALLY have such a boring life?

>> BruceK

Hey Bruce. this group is for folks who enjoy talking about Sim racing, etc. So
we don't need your psycho-analysis, thanks anyway.
Are you satisfied 100% of the time?
I paid good money for GP2 and I want too be satisfied with it. So far Im quite
unhappy with it... seems most folks feel that way.
You must Really have a boring life, if you got nothing better too do than
insult folks on the newsgroups. If no one ever complains or protests about
things, How is anything too change?
Go away BOY.

by **(Mike** » Sat, 26 Oct 1996 04:00:00

On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:03:19 -0500, David Gary

>I totally agree with these guys and believe me most of the Racin' SIM
>fanatics I know agree
>that this game is FAR from finished, Did they forget to release the FULL
>version?!!
>Have they mistakingly mass produced and packaged the BETA version?!!
>Where the hell is everything
>the hipe brought out?!! Has Geoff Crammond already went on vacation with
>our money?!!
>The Bottom Line Is, this sim is far from complete! Yeah the model
>physics are great and the detail
>is awesome, but hell i can flip through a F1 AutoCourse book faster than
>this game runs!! Even
>on a p200 you still have to turn over HALF of the graphics off to get an
>acceptable 25 fps!!
>GEEEEEZZZZ!!.. I still feel like Im playing GP1 because of this!! And
>what a piece of ***the
>modem config is , When my modem buddy and I hooked up, the already
>HALF-ASS framerate was CUT AGAIN in
>HALF!! This is a prime example of an unfinished game, so I'm in that
>category of "BEING ROBBED"!!
>I'm sorry but maybe Im used to PAPY's COMPLETED racing SIMs and
>MICROPROSE took me by suprise!! But
>DAMMIT, when I wait that long and spend alot of money on a fast system
>and We are repeatedly lied to
>about the release date, I get pretty upset when GP2 comes out in the far
>less condition that
>all the bullshit hiped it up to be!! ICR2 still is fluid and via modem
>is just as fluid and FRAMERATE is
>everything!! So I dont know how important wet weather is or anything , I
>just want a game that doesnt
>look like a slide show when you have the graphics on!! MICROPROSE SUCKS
>AND GEOFF CRAMMOND NEEDS TO GO BACK
>TO PROGRAMING SCHOOL OR HELL, JUST GO TO PROGRAMMING SCHOOL!!! BTW,
>Microprose has noted that there are
>no plans for an update patch, but I'm not suprised thats their nature, I
>just hope that if anyone else trys this suck ass SIM they'll pirate it
>so Microprose wont rob THEM!!

Just to comment on a few points -
1. I get 19.6 frames a second on a P133. Granted I don't use all the
graphics options, just the ones I feel are necessary for good racing.
Can you or anyone else play Nascar at full graphics? No....and that
game was made 18 months ago.

2. I can play at almost the same framerate(16) head to head with a
friend as I do alone. I use the "use:16550" switch. Sure I wish it was
better, But I wouldn't slam the sim because I didn't know how to
configure the program or setup my PC.

3. >I'm sorry but maybe Im used to PAPY's COMPLETED racing SIMs>
Give me a break! Papyrus hasn't released a complete program since the
original Indy 500 game. Indycar 1 was released saying that it had
modem play....it took about 6 months for them to release a patch that
actually provided it! Nascar had a serious problem with problem
yellow flags until its second patch. Indycar 2 took 9 months to patch
their yellow flag and traction problem. The only way you could be
satisfied by "Papyrus's completed sims" is if you bought them at least
6 months(more like 9) after the intial release.

Who created the "hype" you mention? We did. Not MPS. Just because the
game doesn't include everything that was hyped about it is not MPS's
fault.

Bottom Line -

Is everything on the "box" in the game?.........YES!!!! This is all
that counts. Hey, it's not like Papyr.... I mean MPS said it had modem
play and released it without it.

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