rec.autos.simulators

by **niteha** » Wed, 30 Oct 1996 04:00:00

>On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 04:06:22 -0500, David Gary

>>Who cares with what your fed up with! We post these complaints to get
>>the "SERIOUS" racing
>>SIM fraternity to wake up and smell the BULLSHIT. As a hobbie, some of
>>us wont settle for
>>HALF-ASS and we need to kick these designers in the ass to insure the
>>integrity of the racing SIMS to come.
>>Dont respond to these posts if you settle for second best. Evidently
>>your maturity in the racing sim
>>evolution is not to a level yet to respect! -David Gary

>You really haven't got a clue what you are talking about have you?
>Constantly repeating the same pathetic quotes won't get anyone
>believing you. The majority of seasoned sim veterans can recognise the
>incredible driving model that GP2 offers. Good modem and network
>support would be "nice to haves" but in a racing sim (as you should
>know since you're such an expert) the driving model is all.

>Richard

Yep the driving model is all. Thats why i love the way i can trash my car
limp to the pits on 3 wheels. And be back in the race in under 9 seconds.

The way i can hit a wall at 200 and bounce off unscathed is cool as well...

Bottom line.. THE GAME NEEDS AN UPDATE!

by **John Wallac** » Wed, 30 Oct 1996 04:00:00

Unfortunately by that time we will all have become so tired of listening
that we won't understand anyway.

If you have something to say, and especially if you're trying to
convince people of something, hurling abuse at them is usually NOT a
good place to start - there's a hint for you. Whenever the words
"pathetic mass between your ears" pop up, sarcasm is at a premium and
content suffering in proportion.

Can we keep it civil? The discussion is a valid one, but another thread
turned into a slanging match is just a waste of time.

Cheers!
John

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by **Guy Brossea** » Wed, 30 Oct 1996 04:00:00

> > You really haven't got a clue what you are talking about have you?
> > Constantly repeating the same pathetic quotes won't get anyone
> > believing you. The majority of seasoned sim veterans can recognise the
> > incredible driving model that GP2 offers. Good modem and network
> > support would be "nice to haves" but in a racing sim (as you should
> > know since you're such an expert) the driving model is all.

> > Richard

> I am not here to try to "con" anyone into believing me. I could care
> less.
> The fact is anyone with even entry level experience in racing sims like
> yourself can plainly see that GP2 is far from finished. Evidently I have
> to keep repeating my statements so they will get through to the
> pathetic mass between your ears. If you read my prior post (maybe I'll
> have to repeat it) you will see that I DO agree the driving model is
> excellent
> in GP2 but "MODEL" is only half of a sim. That is ALL this sim offers.
> You will
> understand this when you get some experience behind your belt, till then
> have fun with GP2, because thats what its all about! Someday you will
> aquire
> the knowledge to understand my statements. Till then keep practicing.

Can't somebody just destroy this thread. Enough is enough

by **Richard Walk** » Thu, 31 Oct 1996 04:00:00

I never siad it was perfect <g> Besides, you're talking about the
_crash_ model which is, indeed, flawed. Still, with such a good drive
model there's no excuse for crashing ;-)

Richard

by **Joseph Mar** » Thu, 31 Oct 1996 04:00:00

Hill) writes:

>>STANDING OVATION, MIKE! ENCORE!
>>(I'm fed up with people whinging about this sim. They can't accept
it for
>>what it is....a ***y good SIMULATION!!!!) READ MY LIPS,
FOLKS......IT'S
>>A SIMULATION, A GAME...NOT REAL LIFE!!

>From the Oxford English Dictionary:
>simulate v.t. 1. to pretend to be, have, or feel. 2. to imitate or
>counterfeit; to imitate the conditions of (a situation etc.), e.g. for
>training. --simulation n., simulator n.

>I can not see how a Formula One Grand Prix simulator can satisfy the
>OED's definition of 'simulation' without including changeable weather
>conditions. GP2 may well simulate a Grand Prix car in the dry, which
>is does remarkably well, but it does not simulate a Grand Prix car in
>conditions it is likely to find on a Grand Prix circuit, and it does
>not simulate a typical Grand Prix season/championship.

Yep, it also doesn't have tifosi running on the track, or drivers
getting into fistfights when one punts the other off. And the Nascar
sims don't have a bunch of jackasses drinking Busch and wearing
"Anybody but Earnhardt" shirts. And the Indycar sims don't even have
Indianapolis as a track.

Like you guys say, it's really a shame that there isn't one company in
the world that makes racing simulators. Unbelievable !!!

JDM

by **Mark Hi** » Thu, 31 Oct 1996 04:00:00

>STANDING OVATION, MIKE! ENCORE!
>(I'm fed up with people whinging about this sim. They can't accept it for
>what it is....a ***y good SIMULATION!!!!) READ MY LIPS, FOLKS......IT'S
>A SIMULATION, A GAME...NOT REAL LIFE!!

From the Oxford English Dictionary:
simulate v.t. 1. to pretend to be, have, or feel. 2. to imitate or
counterfeit; to imitate the conditions of (a situation etc.), e.g. for
training. --simulation n., simulator n.

I can not see how a Formula One Grand Prix simulator can satisfy the
OED's definition of 'simulation' without including changeable weather
conditions. GP2 may well simulate a Grand Prix car in the dry, which
is does remarkably well, but it does not simulate a Grand Prix car in
conditions it is likely to find on a Grand Prix circuit, and it does
not simulate a typical Grand Prix season/championship.

My 2p worth.

--
Mark Hill

by **Matthew Krau** » Thu, 31 Oct 1996 04:00:00

> >STANDING OVATION, MIKE! ENCORE!
> >(I'm fed up with people whinging about this sim. They can't accept it for
> >what it is....a ***y good SIMULATION!!!!) READ MY LIPS, FOLKS......IT'S
> >A SIMULATION, A GAME...NOT REAL LIFE!!

> From the Oxford English Dictionary:
> simulate v.t. 1. to pretend to be, have, or feel. 2. to imitate or
> counterfeit; to imitate the conditions of (a situation etc.), e.g. for
> training. --simulation n., simulator n.

> I can not see how a Formula One Grand Prix simulator can satisfy the
> OED's definition of 'simulation' without including changeable weather
> conditions. GP2 may well simulate a Grand Prix car in the dry, which
> is does remarkably well, but it does not simulate a Grand Prix car in
> conditions it is likely to find on a Grand Prix circuit, and it does
> not simulate a typical Grand Prix season/championship.

> My 2p worth.

> --
> Mark Hill

Well then, by the definition of simulation you gave, everyone using the
game must be "training" to be real racers.

-Matt

by **Andre** » Thu, 31 Oct 1996 04:00:00

I've got a demo!

Just contact Microprose.

Andrew

by **John Wallac** » Thu, 31 Oct 1996 04:00:00

"The driving model is all", and then go onto describe all the things
that are NOT part of the driving model.....

Sheesh....

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by **Joseph Mar** » Thu, 31 Oct 1996 04:00:00

Call me crazy, but here's a silly little idea that I'm gonna give you
for the low cost of free. If you break a tire off, or hit a wall so
hard that your car would be undriveable in "real life", then there's
this real simple thing you can do. It's called PULLING OVER. Yes,
believe it or not, you can actually stop driving if you so desire.
Wheel falls off -- park it. Hit the wall at 150 MPH+ -- park it. I
don't see why this is such a difficult thing for people to grasp. Do
you really need the computer to tell you when to stop driving?? Is
self-discipline such a hard thing to regulate ?? The game "simulates"
real life, but it doesn't mirror it. It's why it's called a "game".

JDM

by **niteha** » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Jesus i really created a monster with this one.
I started this thread with the vain hope that maybe just maybe people
would band together, and do something positive, but it has just turned into
a mass slanging match.

Very shortly one of the gp2 web sites will have a special page where you
can "auto email" Microprose an politely ask for the game to be addressed.
If your happy with it then you needn't bother, but it will be there for all
those people that feel betrayed.

I know that this page will be used, i just hope that it will be used a LOT
Microprose UK get 100+ Emails a day, if i can at least double that from
Gp2 owners, then maybe they will take notice.

But, and i'm asking nicely here, even if your 100% satisfied with Gp2
LEND YOUR SUPPORT,

i'll post the url for this page as soon as it is set up.

btw Wet Weather in GP2 is possible > Set your date to March/april and race
Silverstone :)

by **niteha** » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Well it started after my call to Microprose, in which i was told that they have
no intention of supporting (updating) gp2

but it has turned into a free for all.............

i feel like one of those guys who starts a fight and watches the outcome

by **niteha** » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00

says...

>>Someday you will
>>aquire
>>the knowledge to understand my statements.

>Unfortunately by that time we will all have become so tired of listening
>that we won't understand anyway.

>If you have something to say, and especially if you're trying to
>convince people of something, hurling abuse at them is usually NOT a
>good place to start - there's a hint for you. Whenever the words
>"pathetic mass between your ears" pop up, sarcasm is at a premium and
>content suffering in proportion.

>Can we keep it civil? The discussion is a valid one, but another thread
>turned into a slanging match is just a waste of time.

>Cheers!
>John

Agreed!!!!!!!!

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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00

And you're getting as bad as Gary.
--

BruceK
VR #31

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00

For God's sake, Gary, grow up. Your ravings belong in the lunatic fringe.
It's a ***y *game* that you are having apoplexy over. Take a Valium and
go and have a rest.--

BruceK
VR #31

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