rec.autos.simulators

Stuart

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Stuart Booth
Somewhere in Oxfordshire, England, UK

On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 04:06:22 -0500, David Gary

Richard

Actually, here in Finland it said "Modem and _network_ support" on the
game box. Now that's what I call misleading customers! I had read this
ng :) so I knew it wasn't true, but someone else must have felt
cheated...
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On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 04:10:46 -0500, David Gary

Richard

On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:03:19 -0500, David Gary

Richard

writes:

JDM

How is GP2 so much less realistic than two games which don't even
simulate
vertical motion? - ie the wheels never leave the ground in the Papy
sims.

It seems to me that both companies place different priorities on certain
areas of vehicle simulation.  GP2 isn't lacking as a simulator, and with
*all* help off, I've found braking, turn in and corner setup *are* of
enormous importance.  It's just that setup of the car in the pits makes
more difference to handling than in the other games.  A poor car setup
means you really have to work before, during and after a corner to get
around with the car still settled and controllable.  A good setup means
you can get away with harsher driving without as severe consequences.
The importance of setup seems quite realistic to me.  I never expected
to see a car race sim incorporate bump/rebound dampers and ***s or
packers - this is right there in the real world and I am yet to see any
other games which go so far.

The Papyrus games are cool, but don't simulate some things that GP2
does.
GP2 is cool, but doesn't simulate some things from the Papyrus games.
Some elements have to be removed - if you want absolute realism so bad,
what are you doing in front of a PC?  Go and get/build a racecar and
drive in reality.  Surely a good sim is one which is both realistic and
yet drivable.

Choose your poison - I like 'em all.

Jet

That's nice....

I'd rather say: if you are really interested in simulations, _buy_ GP2 (it's a
real BARGAIN!!), install it, get nocdrom.zip and play it without the CD.

This game is well worth the price, no matter what whiners tell you.

Jo

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You take your wishes for true.....You can complain as much as you want, you can
slaughter the game completely, but you shouldn't ASSUME just like that that most
people don't like the game. You might be FAR off.

Jo

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  I seem to remember that at the time GP1 came out, the only sim Papyrus
had was Indianapolis 500.....and GP1 was a hell of alot better.  I even
seem to remember that that was why I had upgraded to a 486-33.  My 386-25
was too slow to run it with any graphics on.  Huh, Deja Vu?  Where's my
786-233?  You can only hope right?

Evidently your maturity in the racing sim evolution is not to a level yet
to respect!           -David Gary

And your level of maturity is, I suppose?!
BruceK

I've been reading the sports sim news groups for the passed few months and
three football games have been released with twice as many flaws as GP2,
yet the complaints have not nearly been as harsh as the ones here.  
Another thing, this game can't be that bad if two thirds of the posts at
this news group are about GP2.

The problem with this is:

1) Test what? There isn't a demo out that I know of.

2) Will your software dealer let you test it for more than 15 minutes?
   The bugs and ill designed features in F1GP2 will not get noticed
   by a quick spin on quickrace.

3) Reviews? hahhaha, can you spell hype?

I still think F1GP2 is the best racing sim on the market (for PCs),
_BUT_ it has a LOT to improve and did NOT deliver everything that
was promised.

                                -TPP

JDM  

On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 21:42:28 -0500, David Gary

A brief run down of Geoff Crammond's racing portfolio for those who
don't know:

Revs was released in 1984 (maybe early 1985). It was an amazingly
accurate simulation of Formula 3 racing considering that it was
developed for a machine that only had 32K of RAM (the BBC Micro). I
hate to think just how many hours I clocked up at Silverstone, Brands
Hatch, Donnington, Snetterton & Oulton Park on the sim, and all using
a black & white portable telly as I couldn't afford a monitor!

Stunt Car Racer doesn't exactly qualify for the title of a "sim" but
for a pure arcade game offerred a surprisingly good driving
experience. Released about 1988/9 for the Amiga & Atari ST. (Forget
the PC version, the port wasn't done by GC and is, quite frankly,
crap).

F1GP/WC was released in 1991, first on the Amiga & then the Atari ST.
The PC version was a while later. As such it predated ICR1 by over two
years and was released ahead of Indy 500 if I remember correctly (Indy
500 is the only one of the top sims I've never driven seriously btw -
I didn't have a PC at the time)

All of GC's games have rightfully earned the "landmark" tag, just as
Papy's have also done.

Richard