rec.autos.simulators

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 21 May 2001 01:52:41

Sorry Jerry, but how many times do we have to hear about how you can't get
it to run? You have posted that message many times now, I think we get the
picture! That is very unfortunate, but it is not a common problem.
Iain

> > Jeez, even if all this speculation and nonsense that is being put down
> here
> > was true, what are you all getting so uptight about? These sims cost
> 19.99
> > (about $30), its hardly 'sell your grannie' stuff is it? When you
> consider
> > that most PC titles are 29.99 for a few hours (action adventures) play,
I
> > think we simmers get pretty good vfm, and if EA or Ubi decide to produce
> an

> That's true, and I'd agree with you in a moment--IF F1RC was at all
playable
> on my system, and IF Ubi had made a reasonable effort to make sure that it
> was playable on my system. Until they do, IMO they have no business even
> suggesting that they're developing an F1RC2.

> Jerry Morelock

by **ymenar** » Mon, 21 May 2001 04:47:40

> OMG you are too funny but right Mr Fran?ois Mnard! I just rant
> on for about 4-5 paragraphs and you sum it up in a sentence&1/2!
> I got to get a life..Double Phew!! Thanx for the reality check...<g>
> Cheers A Humbled Thom_j.
> <snipped appropriately>

LOL! Thanks ! <trying to be humble>. It's my experience of years of
Ubi-bashing that made me able to summarise such situation :)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **ymenar** » Mon, 21 May 2001 04:56:23

> Sorry Jerry, but how many times do we have to hear about how you can't get
> it to run? You have posted that message many times now, I think we get
the
> picture! That is very unfortunate, but it is not a common problem.

Yep, let him alienate himself and get thrown behind the mass in a corner.
"Shut up! We don't want to hear about you!". Nice try to put him down, he
has the right to whine like he wants. He PAID for his game and it doesn't
work. Well if Ubisoft doesn't want to answer why, be sure that I would be
doing the same thing as he does, publicly stating that Ubisoft doesn't want
to fix his problems, like currently they also don't want to fix the MANY
obvious problems with the game.

They even had the arrogance (more like stupidity) to announce a sequel to a
game before it's even patched, or perhaps will never be unfortunately.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **ymenar** » Mon, 21 May 2001 04:46:19

> Sorry Jagg, but this just doesn't happen with me at all. I don't have
that
> happening at Monza.

Seriously you must have a special version ;-)

It's impossible to race out-of-the-box with the AI at any track. Nor it's
possible to have any kind of serious multiplayer experience (using community
tools). Thus, F1RC is just a great hotlapper. Heck, I've seen a major
15car pileup at the A1-Ring where one by one the AI would ram into the pack
at 200km/h, even if they could see the big crash ahead. Or at Monza, try to
brake just a little early in T1 and you'll get an idiot AI ramming into you,
instead of using an alternate line.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **ymenar** » Mon, 21 May 2001 04:52:39

> I`m curious about why you said F1RC doesnt have online play ? I know it
> isn`t supported by Ubi but it`s worked pretty well for me in all the IP to
> IP internet races I`ve had so far (with up to 7 racers - I haven`t had the
chance to try
> more than that). I know the multiplayer in F1RC is a joke when compared to
something
> like GPL but at least it does allow it in a limited fashion (thats more
than GP3
> can say) . Are you not aware that you can play F1RC online, or is it that
it just
> doesn`t offer you the kind of multiplayer fun you can get from GPL or N4

?

7 racers ain't really a good multiplayer experience for me. Back 5 years
ago Papyrus had 30 human multiplayer on Hawaii and the NROS long ago gave us
24 (32 before it shut down). Ubisoft threw out everything they had done
with POD (all the community tools) with their F1 line, stating their FIA
excuse as the reason for omitting it :)

It's 2001, there are multiplayer racing games on the net that can offer
FORTY-THREE human players on the track at the same time. It's time for a
modern F1 sim to have 1) a full field possibility 2) client/server
application with multiple options (linux server, dedicated server, plenty of
options) and 3) community tools such as a centralised list of servers, chat,
rankings, user profiles, etc..

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Thom j** » Mon, 21 May 2001 05:40:54

Well you said it but I whole hardily agree <G>
The funny thing in my rant is: I have never tried the F1RC demo
and will never buy another UbiSoft product after the bout I had
with them over F1RS and their so called upgrade of MGPRS2
{but really a degrade}.. So, La` Tee Da'...Thom_j.

| LOL! Thanks ! <trying to be humble>. It's my experience of years of
| Ubi-bashing that made me able to summarise such situation :)

by **Ian** » Mon, 21 May 2001 07:52:36

Ubisoft must have given you a beta release because of all the ***you've
given them over the past few years, I can race the AI pretty well in F1RC ;)

Disclaimer: I know they're not perfect <G>

--
Ian P
<email invalid due to spam>

> > Sorry Jagg, but this just doesn't happen with me at all. I don't have
> that
> > happening at Monza.

> Seriously you must have a special version ;-)

> It's impossible to race out-of-the-box with the AI at any track. Nor it's
> possible to have any kind of serious multiplayer experience (using
community
> tools). Thus, F1RC is just a great hotlapper. Heck, I've seen a major
> 15car pileup at the A1-Ring where one by one the AI would ram into the
pack
> at 200km/h, even if they could see the big crash ahead. Or at Monza, try
to
> brake just a little early in T1 and you'll get an idiot AI ramming into
you,
> instead of using an alternate line.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **chainbreake** » Mon, 21 May 2001 08:10:42

Weeeellll, let's see--I started a thread about it on April 28 and responded
to it four times on the 29th. I responded to a thread about an F1RC patch
on May 1, 2, and 3 and another thread on demo issues on May 9. Nothing else
until what I posted in this thread starting the 17th.

If anything it seems like I need to pick it up a little to make sure that
both Ubi and anyone who's thinking about buying this POS knows completely
about what's going on. And I'm far from being the only one having problems
with this game.

Maybe it doesn't bother you to throw away thirty or forty bucks or pounds on
something that doesn't work and that you have no hope of returning, but it
does bother me. And I'm not nearly as pissed about it not working as I am
about the apparent lack of concern about it from Ubi.

So what do you think--maybe three or four posts a day until there's a patch
that fixes it or barring that, until I get over being PO'd about it?

Jerry Morelock

by **chainbreake** » Mon, 21 May 2001 08:16:48

I only remember griping much about two other games; one was a flight sim
called iF-22 and the other was an RPG called Ultima 9. What I've said about
F1RC doesn't even begin to scratch the surface in comparison--but if Ubi
releases a "2" without patching "1", then . . .

I don't much think I'll be alienating myself, either . . . but I really do
appreciate the concern. :-)

Jerry Morelock

by **ymenar** » Mon, 21 May 2001 09:39:25

> the other was an RPG called Ultima 9. What I've said about

OUCH! That's a sorry title :)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 21 May 2001 15:54:33

Frankie,
I think you can see from Jagg's reply that he was in fact referring to GP3
not F1RC!
Iain

> > Sorry Jagg, but this just doesn't happen with me at all. I don't have
> that
> > happening at Monza.

> Seriously you must have a special version ;-)

> It's impossible to race out-of-the-box with the AI at any track. Nor it's
> possible to have any kind of serious multiplayer experience (using
community
> tools). Thus, F1RC is just a great hotlapper. Heck, I've seen a major
> 15car pileup at the A1-Ring where one by one the AI would ram into the
pack
> at 200km/h, even if they could see the big crash ahead. Or at Monza, try
to
> brake just a little early in T1 and you'll get an idiot AI ramming into
you,
> instead of using an alternate line.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 21 May 2001 16:03:27

Just because you can't get it to work, doesn't mean for a second that it's a
POS. With the returns policy of most major retailers these days, there is
no need for you to waste your money - just take it back if you don't like
it. (If you can't then I'm almost tempted to send you the $30 myself!)
There is so much negativity in ras these days, it's quite depressing. Go to
High Gear forums to get a more balanced view on modern F1 sims. There, the
positive sides are discussed balanced with rational debates on the
shortcomings. Most importantly, these forums are not populated by Papy
groupies.
Iain

> > Sorry Jerry, but how many times do we have to hear about how you can't
get
> > it to run?

> Weeeellll, let's see--I started a thread about it on April 28 and
responded
> to it four times on the 29th. I responded to a thread about an F1RC patch
> on May 1, 2, and 3 and another thread on demo issues on May 9. Nothing
else
> until what I posted in this thread starting the 17th.

> If anything it seems like I need to pick it up a little to make sure that
> both Ubi and anyone who's thinking about buying this POS knows completely
> about what's going on. And I'm far from being the only one having
problems
> with this game.

> Maybe it doesn't bother you to throw away thirty or forty bucks or pounds
on
> something that doesn't work and that you have no hope of returning, but it
> does bother me. And I'm not nearly as pissed about it not working as I am
> about the apparent lack of concern about it from Ubi.

> So what do you think--maybe three or four posts a day until there's a
patch
> that fixes it or barring that, until I get over being PO'd about it?

> Jerry Morelock

by **chainbreake** » Mon, 21 May 2001 16:53:43

If it doesn't work correctly on my equipment, then it's a POS to me and my
vote is the only one that counts.

With the returns policy of most major retailers these days, there is

I'm in the US and ordered it as an import. Want to pay for my trip to
return it?

to

There's so many rushed out, half-baked, half-finished games foisted upon the
market that that's even more depressing.

I'm nobody's groupie; I could give a ***less about who's name is on the
box. The product has to stand or fall on its own merits. This one doesn't.
And just in case you're wondering, I don't have an *** system, either.
It's basically a vanilla Dell P3/800 with a GF 256 card in it and 256mb of
system memory, nothing oc'd. And like I said, all I want from Ubi is a
legitimate effort to address this sim's many known problems. If they do and
my problem remains, then I'll eat it--I won't be happy, but I've been around
plenty long enough to understand that sometimes you come up empty despite
yours and the developer's best efforts.

But if there's not even an attempt made, then count on me to cry long and
loud about it.

Jerry Morelock

by **Txl** » Mon, 21 May 2001 17:31:58

Yes, the point is that last week in A1 in the F3000 race 9, yes nine ! cars
piled up on the first corner, for your info we (trucks) take this corner at
60 and they (F3000) at about 120, these are kmh, not mph....

If you run a real race do not EVER brake "a little early" at the first
corner....Spa 99 rings a bell, okay it was raining but see my point ?

Of course the Start AI (out of the box) if not very good in F1RC but it is
also true that everytime you play it improves, I can now attack guys in the
first chicane in Imola from much farther than before, and they don't
close...

Anyway, F1RC is ENJOYABLE to play, perfect arcade thing with the anti slip
and ABS at 50-70 and really hard without any help, coming out of Tosa under
the rain without anti slip...pfff, tough one...

> > Sorry Jagg, but this just doesn't happen with me at all. I don't have
> that
> > happening at Monza.

> Seriously you must have a special version ;-)

> It's impossible to race out-of-the-box with the AI at any track. Nor it's
> possible to have any kind of serious multiplayer experience (using
community
> tools). Thus, F1RC is just a great hotlapper. Heck, I've seen a major
> 15car pileup at the A1-Ring where one by one the AI would ram into the
pack
> at 200km/h, even if they could see the big crash ahead. Or at Monza, try
to
> brake just a little early in T1 and you'll get an idiot AI ramming into
you,
> instead of using an alternate line.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 21 May 2001 17:29:26

I think you'll find that T1 at Monza has become one of the most
controversial corners of all. In real life, if a car brakes early there,
it'll find the guy behind ramming into him! (Actually, that is more or less
true of any corner that comes at the end of a fast straight.)

I've just completed a very exciting half-distance race at A1.
Highlights:
Won by R Schumaker, followed by Coulthard, Barrichello, 3 retirements,
realistic lap times, and a lot of fun! No pile ups, no unpredictable
ramming incidents etc. etc. Only trouble was, I ended up 9th due to losing
it at T1 on first lap! (I'll do the race again and send you the replay file
of the first couple of laps if you want!)
Iain

> > Sorry Jagg, but this just doesn't happen with me at all. I don't have
> that
> > happening at Monza.

> Seriously you must have a special version ;-)

> It's impossible to race out-of-the-box with the AI at any track. Nor it's
> possible to have any kind of serious multiplayer experience (using
community
> tools). Thus, F1RC is just a great hotlapper. Heck, I've seen a major
> 15car pileup at the A1-Ring where one by one the AI would ram into the
pack
> at 200km/h, even if they could see the big crash ahead. Or at Monza, try
to
> brake just a little early in T1 and you'll get an idiot AI ramming into
you,
> instead of using an alternate line.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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