rec.autos.simulators

by **TopLoade** » Sat, 19 May 2001 19:40:11

Well I for one like F1RC as well........but if F1RC2 has been confirmed
?.........then someone in at UBI needs to do a course in marketing &
customer relations........there's an awfull lot of unhappy simmers at the
moment that have slapped down their hard earned "reddies" on this product &
are "Screaming where's the patch" to fix this copy.

Cheers, David.
TopLoader.
Melbourne, Australia.

by **Jagg** » Sat, 19 May 2001 20:39:56

On Fri, 18 May 2001 03:37:27 GMT, "chainbreaker"

>At least it worked. I can't even run this piece of ***without deleting
>the saves folder each time. Plus it does something to the system that I
>can't get rid of without rebooting after each session.

>Which basically means that I have an imported coaster.

>Jerry Morelock

Yea, I sometimes get a system problem after running F1RC too. Have to
reboot to stop it.
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by **Jagg** » Sat, 19 May 2001 20:42:24

He did the same thing with F12K. Every crash in F12K was apperently my
fault and had nothing to do with the crappy AI drivers.
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by **Jagg** » Sat, 19 May 2001 20:43:39

P.S. Or was that Ian P. ? :-) Sorry Ian Mackenzie if I have you mixed
up with someone else.
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by **Jagg** » Sat, 19 May 2001 20:46:06

>Well, for my part I just LOVE F1RC, the feeling's great, the beauty
>astounding, the AI is getting less and less dumber with each race, I don't
>play online with it, but it's definitely MUCH better than GP3,

It is? Not in my version. How many smash up derby's do I have to run
until the AI is at a playable state?
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by **ymenar** » Sun, 20 May 2001 03:06:10

> Ubi has announced F1RC[2] will be released in Q3 of 2001
> (we are now in Q2 of 2001 aren`t we ?). Has F1RC[1] been
> released in the U.S. yet ?

The same thing also happened with F1RS. MGPRS2 was released in
Europe/Canada before the American release of F1RS. It's a nice marketing
coup, but it screws up the American market. I was hoping things would
change how that Formula One has a little bit more exposure there.

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by **ymenar** » Sun, 20 May 2001 03:09:40

> Well, for my part I just LOVE F1RC, the feeling's great, the beauty
> astounding, the AI is getting less and less dumber with each race, I don't
> play online with it, but it's definitely MUCH better than GP3, I didn't
> really try F12K or the update F1CS2K which was released not so long after
> F12K, and the GP3 addon was not free either.

Well, I'm cynical when it comes to anybody "praising" a modern F1 sim,
because they all fail, just at a slight different degree. F1RC is the one
that fails the less (perhaps since F1GP back in the early 90's). I also
love F1RC, but only for hotlapping an hour before each GP weekend. I don't
race the AI as it's too dumb. I wish it had multiplayer but it doesn't. So
I'm left (not just me but thousands of other simracers) to do hotlaps. Cmon
we're in the year 2001!!!! Give me some multiplayer at least if you can't
have good AI.

Who said I'm fair on the track ;-D

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by **Iain Mackenzi** » Sun, 20 May 2001 03:32:35

No, you're right it was me, and Ian P I think, and quite a few others. As I
have said many times before to you, you are misrepresenting what I said then
and what I am saying now.
So, for the nth time let me repeat... I am not suggesting that every knock,
crash, etc. is down to poor driving on your (or anyone else's) part, but a
large number of them are. If you look at modern F1, then almost a missed
gear change in a fast corner can cause a major incident.
What happens is that companies like EA and Ubi dumb down the AI to
accomodate the needs of sim racers - like yourself apparently - to make the
sim more playable. If you try accelerating from the start and then braking
immediately in F1CS, you'll find that rather than having 20 cars rammed up
your rear end, they all manage to miss you! Realistic? I don't think so.
Try the same in F1RC.
I and many others have no problem with the AI in F1RC now, and as I said in
the original post, I'm not sure whether that is down to the 'learning'
aspect of the sim, or to one of the (many) third party patches I've applied.
Iain

by **Ian** » Sun, 20 May 2001 03:51:34

Wasn't me, I'd never defend the stupid AI in F1 2000 ;)
The AI in F1RC does seem to improve as you play it, though still not good by
any stretch of the imagination.
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by **Thom j** » Sun, 20 May 2001 04:57:02

Sorry on this one Iain!
Dont believe it! Dont buy it and Dont try to sell it! Cuz its Bullocks! You
know it as well as I do! Its all about $money$ here! Fact!!
Secondly imho: MGPRS2 was not an upgrade to F1RS only a de'grade
and nothing will convince me nor change my mind on this issue!
Again I say: I really "Empathize" with the folks that bought F1RC at all!!
All UbiSoft did was use them as 'beta' testers and now put the real deal
out with another price tag on it!! Bulllocks' Again!
If they are "Absolutely" 100% sincere in their efforts they should give a
100% rebate to all who purchased F1RC {in round one} and who will
purchase F1RC2.. {Sadly it just lines UbiSoft's pockets even more.}
Now this is good business and good marketing! This was my personal
expertise & career for over 30'years & dealt with mostly Fortune 100
Companies. I have seen this done before and I do know what's going
on here...Cheers Thom_j.
"All the above comments are my personal opinions and do not reflect
on any of the 'software industry standards.'... Thank you."

| Ubi's 'poor attempt of an upgrade with MGPRS2' was in fact a major step
| forward from F1RS. The physics, the AI, the effect of different garage
| parameters, and the graphics were huge improvements over F1RS.
| In addition, Ubi were very good at producing patches quickly for their
| titles - and were praised on ras at the time for that.
| This whole thing about the FIA approval of the patch is another mystery.
| Why the complaints? F1RC has only been out about 6 weeks, and what do Ubi
| have to gain if they are lying about this? The criticism makes no sense
I'm
| afraid.
| OK, there are issues of AI performance, which as I've said before mostly
| seem to have gone away for me and I don't know whether that's because of
the
| supposed 'learning' aspect, or it may be down to one of the many 3rd party
| patches that have appeared. Also, one (or two) guys seem to have a weird
| problem relating to deleting save game folders. Nevertheless, most people
| (including well-respected ras drivers) feel that F1RC is the best modern
F1
| sim around and are getting a lot of pleasure and challenge out of it.
| Anyway what's wrong with announcing a sequel to be released 6 months in
the
| future? Don't you guys want to think that even better sims might be ahead
| of us? I certainly do!
| Iain
<snipped appropriately>

by **Thom j** » Sun, 20 May 2001 05:08:25

OMG you are too funny but right Mr Fran?ois Mnard! I just rant
on for about 4-5 paragraphs and you sum it up in a sentence&1/2!
I got to get a life..Double Phew!! Thanx for the reality check...<g>
Cheers A Humbled Thom_j.
<snipped appropriately>
|
| You're slowly turning into DGF, seriously Iain.
|
| The Ubi brainwashing machine is getting on you pretty good. You're
twisting
| the words, trying to answer questions with "why would they do that if it
| wasn't...", etc..
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| -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
| -- May the Downforce be with you...
| -- http://www.ymenard.com/
| -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
| Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Thom j** » Sun, 20 May 2001 05:12:48

Wait awhile Gregor I think F1RC3 & 4 will be following shortly..lol

| I'm glad I didn't but the first version! I bought F1 2000, and while the
| F1 CS 2000 that was released shortly afterwards is definitely an
| improvement I didn't buy it if only on principle (or, come to think of
| it, because FF support is still appaling). I just might get the second
| version of F1 RC; again, if FF effects are improved upon, of course.
|
| -Gregor
|
<snipped>

by **Lorne Glustei** » Sun, 20 May 2001 06:30:52

> Well, I'm cynical when it comes to anybody "praising" a modern F1 sim,
> because they all fail, just at a slight different degree.

I agree 100%... I hope one day someone will get it right.

I`m curious about why you said F1RC doesnt have online play ? I know it
isn`t supported by Ubi but it`s worked pretty well for me in all the IP to
IP internet
races I`ve had so far (with up to 7 racers - I haven`t had the chance to try
more than
that). I know the multiplayer in F1RC is a joke when compared to something
like
GPL but at least it does allow it in a limited fashion (thats more than GP3
can say) .
Are you not aware that you can play F1RC online, or is it that it just
doesn`t offer
you the kind of multiplayer fun you can get from GPL or N4 ?

Lorne

by **Jagg** » Sun, 20 May 2001 07:34:37

On Fri, 18 May 2001 19:32:35 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

>No, you're right it was me, and Ian P I think, and quite a few others. As I
>have said many times before to you, you are misrepresenting what I said then
>and what I am saying now.
>So, for the nth time let me repeat... I am not suggesting that every knock,
>crash, etc. is down to poor driving on your (or anyone else's) part, but a
>large number of them are. If you look at modern F1, then almost a missed
>gear change in a fast corner can cause a major incident.
>What happens is that companies like EA and Ubi dumb down the AI to
>accomodate the needs of sim racers - like yourself apparently - to make the
>sim more playable. If you try accelerating from the start and then braking
>immediately in F1CS, you'll find that rather than having 20 cars rammed up
>your rear end, they all manage to miss you! Realistic? I don't think so.
>Try the same in F1RC.
>I and many others have no problem with the AI in F1RC now, and as I said in
>the original post, I'm not sure whether that is down to the 'learning'
>aspect of the sim, or to one of the (many) third party patches I've applied.
>Iain

Sorry Ian, but your telepathic powers about my driving style are weak
at best. None of the above explains the copious amounts of AI crashing
into each other or no attempt at all to miss running *through* my car.
Even GP3 is weak in this area at times. Try racing at Monza and 9
times out of 10 there will be idiot AI cars crashing at the first
turn. Dumbed down AI indeed.
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by **Jagg** » Sun, 20 May 2001 07:35:27

>Wasn't me, I'd never defend the stupid AI in F1 2000 ;)
>The AI in F1RC does seem to improve as you play it, though still not good by
>any stretch of the imagination.

Yea, I got it right the first time. :-)

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