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by **David G Fishe** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:22:54

> I am talking about the PC version. I don't care who it is developed
> by or anything. The game is not a sim. It's that simple. I drive
> Late Model Stock at my local short track, and sorry to dissapoint
> you, but NT2004 not even close to physics, the physics of NT2004 are
> easy to drive, thus an arcade game, not a realistic sim. If you want
> realistic racing, you choose NR2003. 99% Of the people on this board
> will agree.

N2003's physics aren't that difficult to drive IMO. On many tracks, it's
easy as hell to drive.

Dale Earnhardt J. said on his web site that the truck physics in N2003 were
more like what the Cup cars feel like, so I'm not sure how realistic Cup
racing is in N2003. There is a big difference in how those two series feel
in the game.

David G Fisher

by **David G Fishe** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:26:32

> >IHO, which is the best sim around. meaning which one is the easiest to
> >use that gives you the most entertainment?

> Only 2 sims currently installed on my PC:

> Nascar Racing 2003 by Papyrus
> Mobil 1 Rally Championship by Magnetic Fields

> The first is apparently getting long in the tooth to some people, but
> it remains the finest automotive simulation available for the home
> computer.

> The second is simply balls-out fun until Richard Burns Rally comes out
> this summer.

> Jason

Ahh, memories. I got all kinds of hell during development, and after the
release of RC. I made the mistake of praising RC (a title other than GPL was
all it took) in beta reports to ras.

David G Fisher

by **Tony Rickar** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:55:09

> (a title other than GPL was all it took)

I'm looking for a volunteer for a mission into No Man's Land, Code name:
Operation Certain Death

David?

:)

by **ymenar** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:20:34

> Ah, now we get to the truth. They prefer it because NR2003 has much
> superior MP capabilities. But don't sit their and try to BS me and
> tell me the driving model is superior.

No, they prefer multiplayer because basically, no sim ever has even gone
close to the "realism" of driving against a human being. NR, NT, GPL,
whatever. Some of them even test their own setups. That's how good the
physics are.

Look, the driving model is far superior, but it's not flawless. All those
real-life Nascar drivers approve.

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by **ymenar** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:21:05

> Because he is talking out of his arse. I've already conceded that
> NR2003 is a better overall sim but I'm not going to let these Papy
> weenies BS me and tell me NT2004 is an arcade game. I predicted in my
> post that some people would react this way. This group is very
> predictable.

Man stop being tick. We aren't saying NT2004 is an arcade game, we're just
saying it's a bad simulator! ;-D

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by **Rusty Unge** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:54:52

>Nah, it's just hard for some people to accepty that ISI can do some
>things better than Papyrus. Get used to it.

Bullshit...NT2004 has nothing better than NR2003...Name me one, except
it is easier for someone to drive who doesn't like to make their own
setups...sort of like you. There is nothing more that NT2004 offers
that NR2003 doesn't, except maybe fender flares and a career season.
Who really cares about that? Most true simmers don't. Once again, I
have driven late model stock for years, and SCCA road course cars,
don't even think of telling me that NT2004 is more realistic, because
the cold hard truth is that it isn't. But, I might as well beat my
head against the wall, because it would obviously be softer than your
damn head.

by **Andre** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:57:31

I am not a *** sim head but I play NR2003 and tried the NT2004
demo, and I thought NT2004 was better for playing against AI opponents
(I don't play online). NR2003's AI cars seem to want to actively make
you spin off the track, whereas NT2004 seems to get on with a fair
race. I also thought NT2004 was better sonically.
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by **Eldre** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:06:25

>>The term "racing kook" as he used it seemed to be an insult.

>What else do you call someone that lives and breaths car racing
>simulations? I call 'em as I see 'em.

Sure, people like car racing simulations. Is that a bad thing? If so, why?
So why not call them racing *fans*? And I would guess that everyone here is a
racing sim fan, including yourself. Well, except for the trolls. You're just
being purposefully antagonistic, similar to said troll.

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by **Slug** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:54:06

Since when did this group become so PC? It's like calling someone a
"hockey nut", there is no malice meant in it. You just want to make an
issue out of it because you feel like being pissy towards me. Me no
care.

It didn't start out that way, but you lot make it too easy not to.

by **Rusty Unge** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:23:53

>>Sure, people like car racing simulations. Is that a bad thing? If so, why?
>>So why not call them racing *fans*?

>Since when did this group become so PC? It's like calling someone a
>"hockey nut", there is no malice meant in it. You just want to make an
>issue out of it because you feel like being pissy towards me. Me no
>care.

>>And I would guess that everyone here is a
>>racing sim fan, including yourself. Well, except for the trolls. You're just
>>being purposefully antagonistic, similar to said troll.

>It didn't start out that way, but you lot make it too easy not to.

The fact is Slug...your username is perfect, and if you really thing
NT2004 is a "Sim" then your head is up your ***to far for daylight.
I am done beating my head against the wall that is obviously softer
than your console loving head.

by **Ted** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:17:10

> Your statement sums it up for me Jason. NR2003 just feels like Ive been
> there done that. Im anxious for something new which makes it sound like Im
> bashing NR2003 although I agree its the best. Im so looking forward to GTR
> and I hope its as good as Im anticipating it will be. It's just been too
> darn long between good titles anymore.

> Mitch

Thank goodness for MODs!

Ted

by **Slug** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:28:27

Oh well, you can't help it if you are soft in the head. I don't like
to pick on the weak so will let you off the hook.

by **Rusty Unge** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:00:49

>Oh well, you can't help it if you are soft in the head. I don't like
>to pick on the weak so will let you off the hook.

You are the weak one stupid. Duh.. You even admitted you can't play
NT2004 without downloading setups, then you are either weak, stupid,
or just don't belong in this group.

by **Eldre** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:25:20

>>Sure, people like car racing simulations. Is that a bad thing? If so, why?

>>So why not call them racing *fans*?

>Since when did this group become so PC? It's like calling someone a
>"hockey nut", there is no malice meant in it. You just want to make an
>issue out of it because you feel like being pissy towards me. Me no
>care.

Hey, *you're* the one that responded to a post of mine and made the comment
about racing kooks. I don't see how you could expect that comment, in that
context, would *not* be taken as an insult. I didn't think that was a cool
thing to do, and let you know about it. But if you don't care, then there's no
rational discussion that can take place with you.

<yawn>
Whatever... I see what kind of mentality we're dealing with here. If you just
want to argue for the sake of arguing, go right ahead...

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by **Ruud Dingeman** » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:48:36

>>BTW, Eldred, gotten that Ensoniq Mirage working yet?

>I don't know enough about electronics to know why, or how to fix it.

Ensoniq Mirage? Just buy an old Apple IIGS and download a nice music
program Eldred, it's basically the same sound hardware, same chip, same
design if I remember correctly - great sound for its time BTW :)

Regards, Rudy

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