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by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:44:33

>> I recently tried F1C but found it unplayable due to enormous steering
>> lag - you know I turn my wheel and a few seconds later the onscreen
>> wheel turns.

> You have to turn off all steering help or it will never seem right.
> Ditto for most of the other "driving aids", except for traction
> control, which I leave at the "low" setting.

> I found the same thing was true in GP4. Turn off all steering help
> and suddenly it was responsive and the FF actually works. Strange.

> YMMV.

> - Ted

I've got to find time to dig into gp4 more. Certainly the steering is
highly configurable so perhaps I can find info about setting up a logitech
FF wheel. Driving the CART mod felt very strange...of course a-lot of that
might have been my unfamiliarity<sp?> with GP4. The cars looked great..but
I don't have enough time to find out if it's gp4 or the mod that is wonky.

dave henrie

by **Eldre** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:11:42

>>Wait - are you saying that N2003 isn't fun?

>>Eldred

>I knew me saying the following would bring out the racing kooks. ;-)

Are you calling me a racing kook? All I did was ask a ***ing question...

Eldred
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by **Damien Evan** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:11:15

If it's an arcade game then why does it use such a complex physics engine?
I'd descibe it as a half-baked sim personally. My definition of an arcade
game is along the lines of 'Daytona USA'

by **Ruud Dingeman** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:10:34

>>>Wait - are you saying that N2003 isn't fun?

>>I knew me saying the following would bring out the racing kooks. ;-)
> Are you calling me a racing kook? All I did was ask a ***ing question...

Language, Eldred <Slaps E. with trouts on both ears simultaneously>

He DID use a smiley you know... ;)

Regards, Rudy

by **Jason Moy** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:49:22

Or alternately, every single person who has driven a Winston Cup stock
car, or does so currently as their profession.

Jason

by **Jason Moy** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:51:33

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:47:32 -0500, Dave Henrie

> Just to be a name dropper...on Thursday night's WindTunnel on Speed,
>they had Martin Truex Jr on the show. He runs Dale Earnhardt Jr's car in
>the Busch series. (#8) And he answered an email question saying both he
>and Dale Jr use the Papyrus, Sierra product Nascar Racing 2003 Season.
>According to him, it was the best one out there.

If you watch the DMP (or is it FLM? I forget) truck broadcasts,
you'll see Truex and Earnhardt racing all the time, as well as a few
other drivers who pop in once in awhile (Kevin Lepage was in a race
recently).

And yeah, this happens on Sierra. Anyone with a copy of NRTV or who
is familiar with the DMP website/forum can watch them race.

Jason

by **Jason Moy** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:54:09

I think the term "racing kook" pretty much invalidates any point he
had to make in this thread.

Not this his utter ignorance regarding the topic being discussed
didn't accomplish that already.

BTW, Eldred, gotten that Ensoniq Mirage working yet? I'm thinking
about picking up a rack-mounted one since it's a fairly unique piece
of gear and was wondering if you might know of any decent user
websites I could check out.

Jason

by **Jason Moy** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:01:23

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:20:56 -0500, Dave Henrie

>I tracked that down just to try the cart mod that was available. You think
>that is a good product? I admit, I'm waaaay used to other titles, , but
>man, it just seems not sorted. The braking is mucho stronger than
>F1c...that is probably an area they got right. Steering seems to be very
>severe at slow speeds...not unstable severe, just turnin, turnin, turnin,
>go 85degreesswoosh...

My take on GP4:

- Great graphics.
- Decent physics (not great, but I'm more convinced by the low-speed
and lateral grip and the way the car deals with off track excursions
and car-to-car collisions and so forth than the ISI F1 series, which I
view as generally superior in other respects)
- The best tracks in any F1 sim
- The most horribly antiquated game engine ever (Processor Occupancy?
Puhleaze...)
- I guess this is a symptom of the last point, but the most horrible
controller configuration ever seen in a racing title. I've had the
sim since it came out and I'm still not 100% confident I have my wheel
setup correctly.

Scarily, I've seen photos of F1 drivers using it to practice
(including Burti in a Ferrari sim-cockpit in the garage at Fiorano).

Jason

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:01:25

Well that settles it then eh? How well has Burti done ? :)

dave henrie

by **Jason Moy** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:14:00

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:01:25 -0500, Dave Henrie

> Well that settles it then eh? How well has Burti done ? :)

Test driver for a team about to win their 6th straight constructor's
crown isn't a bad gig. :)

Jason

by **cron** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:21:45

> >>Wait - are you saying that N2003 isn't fun?

> >>Eldred

> >I knew me saying the following would bring out the racing kooks. ;-)

> Are you calling me a racing kook? All I did was ask a ***ing question...

> Eldred

Put it back in your pants slug.

by **Slug** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:25:47

Nah, it's just hard for some people to accepty that ISI can do some
things better than Papyrus. Get used to it.

by **Slug** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:28:10

Because he is talking out of his arse. I've already conceded that
NR2003 is a better overall sim but I'm not going to let these Papy
weenies BS me and tell me NT2004 is an arcade game. I predicted in my
post that some people would react this way. This group is very
predictable.

by **Slug** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:29:43

Did you not see the winky? Or are you just looking for trouble, huh,
punk? ;-)

by **Slug** » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:31:08

You ***ing racing kook! Get a life!

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