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Which IHO is the best Sim?

Stephen F

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by Stephen F » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:44:56



There is no best.  Several current and not so current sims have their
merits.  Currently I have three on my computer:

Papyrus's Nascar 2003: hands down the best driving feel for me.  I can
really tell what the car is doing and even if I were to stick with the
lumbering Nascar stockers, it's still great fun to throw them around the
road courses.  It's GPL, but with grip... and I have a weird timing bug on
my notebook which prevents me getting GPL to run properly without going into
slow motion.

Live for Speed: great value for the buck.  The tracks, while not real-world,
are really nice looking, and there is an interesting assortment of FWD, RWD
and AWD cars.  The physics model rates up there with the Papyrus model in
terms of the feedback coming through the controller.  The only thing that
spoils it for me is the frame rate dip with lots of cars on the screen.

Rally Trophy: a bit of an oddball which not many consider a true sim, but I
love exactly the cars modelled here (Lancia Fulvia etc.), I like my rally
action to take place at a bit less than warp speed, the physics model is
acceptable, the graphics are (I think) great and it's just a lot of fun.  If
you want "easy to use" and "entertaining", I don't think you could go wrong
scouring the bargain bins for this one, add some new cars, patch it and go
driving.  After a long pause I reloaded it on the weekend and blew away 4
hours and was grinning the whole time.

Stephen

Jason Moy

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by Jason Moy » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:38:15


Take it to the track.

Jason Moy

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by Jason Moy » Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:41:25



>IHO, which is the best sim around. meaning which one is the easiest to
>use that gives you the most entertainment?

Only 2 sims currently installed on my PC:

Nascar Racing 2003 by Papyrus
Mobil 1 Rally Championship by Magnetic Fields

The first is apparently getting long in the tooth to some people, but
it remains the finest automotive simulation available for the home
computer.

The second is simply balls-out fun until Richard Burns Rally comes out
this summer.

Jason

Ted

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by Ted » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:16:44




...
>    I've got to find time to dig into gp4 more.  Certainly the steering is
> highly configurable so perhaps I can find info about setting up a logitech
> FF wheel.  Driving the CART mod felt very strange...of course a-lot of that
> might have been my unfamiliarity<sp?> with GP4.  The cars looked great..but
> I don't have enough time to find out if it's gp4 or the mod that is wonky.

> dave henrie

I did two things that made GP4 infinitely more playable for me:

1) Tweaked the f1graphics.cfg file.  Told GP4 to ignore its internal
graphics config (which I think is controlled by the first line in the
.cfg file) and to turn on hardware T/L (towards the top of the
file...can't remember the exact line, but it's easy to find).  Also
turned off the video walls.  Wow....much better frame rate!

2) Turn off all steering help.  Makes the FF much better.  Still not
as good as F1C for me, but night and day difference in game play.  Now
I can actually get a rhythm going on a track like Imola.

I also use GPxPatch and GP4Tweaker to turn off that stupid black flag
rule!

http://gp4tweaker.vadertrophy.com/cms/

Haven't played the new release of the CART mod.  I downloaded and
installed, but was had some trouble with the tracks. I intend to get
back to it "when I have some time". (HAH!)

William Bradsha

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by William Bradsha » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:00:38


>    Just to be a name dropper...on Thursday night's WindTunnel on Speed,
> they had Martin Truex Jr on the show.  He runs Dale Earnhardt Jr's car in
> the Busch series. (#8)   And he answered an email question saying both he
> and Dale Jr use the Papyrus, Sierra product Nascar Racing 2003 Season.  
> According to him, it was the best one out there.  
>    So no internet rumours, no haphazard guessing.  Nr2k3 was the choice.  
> Of course what he didn't say was. that tg was the devil...eh WHAT?  wrong
> topic!!  
> Sorry that will never <tg spelled backwards is...> Whoops...meandering
> again.  
> Dave Hen<stop evil, stop T***>rie

Along the lines of that, didn't Junebug state online that the trucks
(PWF CTS) feel more like his cup car than the cup cars do in the sim?

Hm. Say that last part fast ten times. :)

-Will

Eldre

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by Eldre » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:30:54

For me, that honor would go to M-B Truck Racing.  I never *was* able to get
that game to work with my wheel and pedal set.  That pissed me off, because I
bought it on the strength of the demo(which worked FINE).

Eldred
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Eldre

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by Eldre » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:34:30

Hell, I'd even enjoy the gig as test driver for *Minardi*...

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Eldre

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by Eldre » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:43:39

No...   I couldn't remember what the original problam was(it's been in pieces
on my workbench for months).  I put it back together last weekend to see...no
power.
I don't know enough about electronics to know why, or how to fix it.
Crap.

Eldred
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when the auction ended.  I think it went for less than $50.  And, it was local,
so I wouldn't have had to pay shipping.  Grrr...
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Eldre

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by Eldre » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:48:37

The term "racing kook" as he used it seemed to be an insult.  The use of a
smiley didn't preclude that.  Hey, if I was to call him <insult deleted> to
troll this newsgroup in a long time, but put a smiley after it, that wouldn't
make any nicer of a sentiment.

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Mitch_

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by Mitch_ » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:58:38

Your wasting your breath Slug.  I went through this a few months ago.  And I
also agreed NR2003 is better than NT2004 to this point.

Wasn't too many years ago quite a few of the regular RAS posters said how
bad GPL was....

Mitch




> Because he is talking out of his arse. I've already conceded that
> NR2003 is a better overall sim but I'm not going to let these Papy
> weenies BS me and tell me NT2004 is an arcade game. I predicted in my
> post that some people would react this way. This group is very
> predictable.

Slug

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by Slug » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:54:24



No biggy, we'll see if they eventually come around to EA/ISI Nascar
series like they did with their F1 series. I predict they will but it
will take a few refinements from ISI, just like the F1 series did.
Ymenard will hate it no matter what they do so we can ignore his
opinion off the bat. ;-)

Slug

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by Slug » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:57:02


What else do you call someone that lives and breaths car racing
simulations? I call 'em as I see 'em.

Dave Henri

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by Dave Henri » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 03:07:31


4ax.com:

Well then I'm a "SIM" racing kook, and a real racing kook and I wear those
badges proudly.
  I guess that would mean I am also a Hooters Kook.

dave henrie

Dave Henri

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by Dave Henri » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 03:12:26



  I figured that out last night..It DOES make a world of difference.  
Especially the increase with speed slider.  I zeroed that out from 100% and
got a much better feel.  I went from 1:45's at Malay to 1:39's in one 18
lap session.(Cart 2002 mod)  I haven't looked for config file tweeks.  I
guess that is another night of tinkering.

dh

Mitch_

Which IHO is the best Sim?

by Mitch_ » Thu, 15 Apr 2004 03:21:33

Your statement sums it up for me Jason.  NR2003 just feels like Ive been
there done that.  Im anxious for something new which makes it sound like Im
bashing NR2003 although I agree its the best.  Im so looking forward to GTR
and I hope its as good as Im anticipating it will be.  It's just been too
darn long between good titles anymore.

Mitch


> The first is apparently getting long in the tooth to some people, but
> it remains the finest automotive simulation available for the home
> computer.

> Jason


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