rec.autos.simulators

> If I am not mistaken the Logitech wheel won't work under win2k...

> ps. If you're a real gamer going to win2k is the biggest mistake you can
> make... If you really want to be able to play all your games you should have
> stucked with Win98...

> -- Sjon

> > I can't get proper force feedback in win2k at all - I have the logitech
> > FF wheel (sweeet) and; Yes i get forces in the test screen, Yes the
> > power actually works,
> > Yes the two green lights work

> > I'm running Windows 2000 Advanced Server
> > All my other system Specs are at http://home1.stofanet.dk/frenjon

> > Ok here is my test...

> > I'll now try the new EA F1-2000 with the wheel:
> > setup->controls
> > everything is setup to use a Game controller and Force Feedback
> > On to the game..
> > in the game I try and drive off the course -> no FF whatsoever -  the
> > wheel
> > has no auto center and nothing happens when i slam into walls ect...

> > Next game up is the old, but still kewl Colin Mcrae rally.
> > Dooh - just found another game that won't run under win2000 :(

> > Ok then I'll try Rally Championship 2000
> > New game, should work....
> > No FF at all - kewl game though - can't wait until i actually get FF in
> > it :)

> > Next up we have the completely new game Rally Masters from
> > Infogrames.....
> > When I bump into something VERY hard the wheel makes a small sign of FF
> > but
> > still no auto centering or any shaking when i drive on grass ect.

> > Next game up is the best FF game I've ever had
> > Official Formula 1 Racing 98 - old, but still great
> > :(( - just found another game that won't run in win2k

> > Next game I have is Toca 2 - Touring Cars
> > WOW finally some auto centering (way to much, but it was there:), but no

> > other FF signs.

> > Last game I have that could use FF is battle zone II
> > Hard to set up but it has small signs of Force Feedback when I like in
> > rally
> > masters bumb into something

> > Here are all the things in registry that has the word wingman...
> > ------
> > Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

> > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\LwUsbHid]
> > "Type"=dword:00000001
> > "Start"=dword:00000003
> > "ErrorControl"=dword:00000001

> "ImagePath"=hex(2):53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,44,
> 00,\

> 52,00,49,00,56,00,45,00,52,00,53,00,5c,00,4c,00,77,00,55,00,73,00,62,00,48,\

> >   00,69,00,64,00,2e,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,00,00
> > "DisplayName"="Logitech WingMan Formula Force USB"

> > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\LwUsbHid\Security]

> "Security"=hex:01,00,14,80,a0,00,00,00,ac,00,00,00,14,00,00,00,30,00,00,00,0
> 2,\

> 00,1c,00,01,00,00,00,02,80,14,00,ff,01,0f,00,01,01,00,00,00,00,00,01,00,00,\

> 00,00,02,00,70,00,04,00,00,00,00,00,18,00,fd,01,02,00,01,01,00,00,00,00,00,\

> 05,12,00,00,00,74,00,6c,00,00,00,1c,00,ff,01,0f,00,01,02,00,00,00,00,00,05,\

> 20,00,00,00,20,02,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,18,00,8d,01,02,00,01,01,00,00,00,\

> 00,00,05,0b,00,00,00,20,02,00,00,00,00,1c,00,fd,01,02,00,01,02,00,00,00,00,\

> 00,05,20,00,00,00,23,02,00,00,00,00,00,00,01,01,00,00,00,00,00,05,12,00,00,\

> >   00,01,01,00,00,00,00,00,05,12,00,00,00

> > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\LwUsbHid\Enum]
> > "0"="USB\\Vid_046d&Pid_c291\\5&b114931&0&2"
> > "Count"=dword:00000001
> > "NextInstance"=dword:00000001

> > -----------

> > Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Class\{745A17A0-74D3-11D0-B
> 6FE-00A0C90F57DA}\0002]

> > "DevLoader"="*ntkern"
> > "NTMPDriver"="LwUsbHid.sys"
> > "DriverDesc"="Logitech WingMan Formula Force USB"
> > "InfPath"="lwusbhid.inf"
> > "InfSection"="LwJoy.RallyForce"
> > "InfSectionExt"=".NT"
> > "ProviderName"="Logitech"
> > "DriverDateData"=hex:00,00,19,62,20,1c,bf,01
> > "DriverDate"="10-22-1999"
> > "DriverVersion"="5.0.2160.1"
> > "MatchingDeviceId"="usb\\vid_046d&pid_c291"

> > ----------

> > Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Enum\USB\Vid_046d&Pid_c291\5&b11493
> 1&0&2]

> > "DeviceDesc"="Logitech WingMan Formula Force USB"
> > "LocationInformation"="WingMan Formula Force"
> > "Capabilities"=dword:00000084

> "HardwareID"=hex(7):55,00,53,00,42,00,5c,00,56,00,69,00,64,00,5f,00,30,00,34
> ,\

> 00,36,00,64,00,26,00,50,00,69,00,64,00,5f,00,63,00,32,00,39,00,31,00,26,00,\

> 52,00,65,00,76,00,5f,00,30,00,31,00,30,00,30,00,00,00,55,00,53,00,42,00,5c,\

> 00,56,00,69,00,64,00,5f,00,30,00,34,00,36,00,64,00,26,00,50,00,69,00,64,00,\

> >   5f,00,63,00,32,00,39,00,31,00,00,00,00,00

> "CompatibleIDs"=hex(7):55,00,53,00,42,00,5c,00,43,00,6c,00,61,00,73,00,73,00
> ,\

> 5f,00,66,00,66,00,26,00,53,00,75,00,62,00,43,00,6c,00,61,00,73,00,73,00,5f,\

> 00,66,00,66,00,26,00,50,00,72,00,6f,00,74,00,5f,00,66,00,66,00,00,00,55,00,\

> 53,00,42,00,5c,00,43,00,6c,00,61,00,73,00,73,00,5f,00,66,00,66,00,26,00,53,\

> 00,75,00,62,00,43,00,6c,00,61,00,73,00,73,00,5f,00,66,00,66,00,00,00,55,00,\

> 53,00,42,00,5c,00,43,00,6c,00,61,00,73,00,73,00,5f,00,66,00,66,00,00,00,00,\

> >   00
> > "ClassGUID"="{745A17A0-74D3-11D0-B6FE-00A0C90F57DA}"
> > "Class"="HIDClass"
> > "Driver"="{745A17A0-74D3-11D0-B6FE-00A0C90F57DA}\\0002"
> > "Mfg"="Logitech"
> > "Service"="LwUsbHid"
> > "ConfigFlags"=dword:00000000
> > "ParentIdPrefix"="6&7a9b7e9&0"

> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Enum\USB\Vid_046d&Pid_c291\5&b11493
> 1&0&2\Device

> > Parameters]

> "SymbolicName"="\\??\\USB#Vid_046d&Pid_c291#5&b114931&0&2#{a5dcbf10-6530-11d
> 2-901f-00c04fb951ed}"

> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Enum\USB\Vid_046d&Pid_c291\5&b11493
> 1&0&2\LogConf]

> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Enum\USB\Vid_046d&Pid_c291\5&b11493
> 1&0&2\Control]

> > "DeviceReference"=dword:8170fd70
> > "ActiveService"="LwUsbHid"

> > Am I doing something wrong here or what?

> > The logitech wingman team homepage claims that win2k has drivers for the
> > wheel but why won't they make any software avaiable for win2k :(
> > http://www.wingmanteam.com

> > What about other FF wheels - are they supported by win2k any better than
> > my logitech ?

> > Jonas Mellquist
> > Denmark

> This is a load of hooey!  Win2k comes with drivers for the LWFF built in....
> The only problem is MS decided to only support their version of force
> feedback "out of the box".   The new driver for the LWFF (with force) is
> very very near release.  From what I hear, it was nearly released this week,
> so it wont be long now.

> Games with Win2k.   You're sorely mistaken...   There are very few games
> that do NOT run under Win2k.  F1 2000 runs perfectly... as well as GPL,
> RC2000, Motocross Madness, Midtown Madness (with force as well), and many
> many more race sims.

> I've got a dual system, and some games even run in SMP.  You cant do that
> with win9x.  I wont even mention the improved system stability & ram
> optimization.

> Dents.

> > If I am not mistaken the Logitech wheel won't work under win2k...

> > ps. If you're a real gamer going to win2k is the biggest mistake you can
> > make... If you really want to be able to play all your games you should
> have
> > stucked with Win98...

> > -- Sjon

>> TWin2k comes with drivers for the LWFF built in.... The only problem is
>> MS decided to only support their version of force feedback "out of the
>> box".

>True.

>> The new driver for the LWFF (with force) is very very near release.  From
>> what I hear, it was nearly released this week, so it wont be long now.

>Logitech should have released new drivers (and a profiler) for Win 2000
>*ages* ago.

>My WingMan Formula (black, gameport) didn't work properly with the WingMan
>drivers on the Win 2k CD.  :-(

>> Games with Win2k.   You're sorely mistaken...   There are very few games
>> that do NOT run under Win2k.  F1 2000 runs perfectly... as well as GPL,
>> RC2000, Motocross Madness, Midtown Madness (with force as well), and many
>> many more race sims.

>I found F1RS ran *better* with Win 2k than with 95/98!  :-)  TOCA 2 also
>works fine.

>Actually, I couldn't get GPL to work.  The installer moaned about
>wininet.dll (or somesuch) and when I tried to run the game, it failed.

>Oh, and my WingMan was just too iffy with Win 2000... SCGT, F1RS and TOCA2
>all had 'issues' with the game, mainly with respect to steering.

> Perhaps, based on his own personal experience, he disagrees with your
> point of view.  If somebody disagrees with you it is not necessarily
> attacking your point of view.   Thinking the voicing of an opinion
> contrary to your own is some sort of attack smacks a bit of
> paranoia...

> Regards,
> Brett C. Cammack
> That's Racing! Motorsport
> Pompano Beach, FL

> where have you heard that the logitech win2k software is close to being
> released - this would really make my day :))

> > This is a load of hooey!  Win2k comes with drivers for the LWFF built in....
> > The only problem is MS decided to only support their version of force
> > feedback "out of the box".   The new driver for the LWFF (with force) is
> > very very near release.  From what I hear, it was nearly released this week,
> > so it wont be long now.

> > Games with Win2k.   You're sorely mistaken...   There are very few games
> > that do NOT run under Win2k.  F1 2000 runs perfectly... as well as GPL,
> > RC2000, Motocross Madness, Midtown Madness (with force as well), and many
> > many more race sims.

> > I've got a dual system, and some games even run in SMP.  You cant do that
> > with win9x.  I wont even mention the improved system stability & ram
> > optimization.

> > Dents.

> > > If I am not mistaken the Logitech wheel won't work under win2k...

> > > ps. If you're a real gamer going to win2k is the biggest mistake you can
> > > make... If you really want to be able to play all your games you should
> > have
> > > stucked with Win98...

> > > -- Sjon

> Dents.

> > > Actually, I couldn't get GPL to work.  The installer moaned about
> > > wininet.dll (or somesuch) and when I tried to run the game, it failed.

> > You have to use the OpenGL patch to get GPL working in W2K.
> > Iain