rec.autos.simulators

What was asked of me? He proved the total was 14,000. If you are referring
to the comment from the Papy employee about ff, how the he** do I find that
from over two years ago?

The guy said what he said. If I knew it meant so much to so few, I would
have kept the comments and framed them for sale.

David G Fisher

BTW, where's your proof that F1 doesn't have on average 300 million tv
viewers per race?

David G Fisher

I think you'll find this topic was started when you claimed the number of
people on r.a.s who play GPL was a 'handful'.

HG is not a serious simulator site, it has a heavy bias towards arcade
games, hence I don't use it.  I don't need to mention their 'Is r.a.s. still
a valid newsgroup' article.

I'll conceed the point that numbers prove nothing though, including your
'handful'.

N*Sync is clearly the dominate music group of today.  Honor it and feel
blessed.

riiiiiiiiiight...

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N'Sync started about...........three years ago?

David G Fisher

Yeah, but their ff implementation sucks.  Physics are arcade as well.

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Fester

You are so egomaniacal it's unbelievable! I already *told! you that I read
many posts & other comments on the web.. They had many #s that were
in discrepancy but the were in the millions. Meaning "Mr Self Proclaimed
Intellect" apparently the #s were not that far off! Dummy!!
God' your thick sometimes! Who or Whomever you work for should be
awarded the "All Saints Tolerance Award" but in retrospect they should
also be affraid! Very Affraid! Phew!!! And dont give me that "I own my
own company" B.S. either...

| BTW, where's your proof that F1 doesn't have on average 300 million tv
| viewers per race?
|
| David G Fisher
|

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What were your estimates again? You said mine were ridiculous? Called me
names?

From (at the bottom of the page): http://www.motorsportstv.com/f1.htm

More Formula One TV Details

"RPM 2Night" commentator Robin Miller of The Indianapolis Star gives some
details about the Formula One TV contract:

TV revenue is $350 million annually.

$180 million of the TV revenue is distributed to the teams.

However, the money is distributed to teams based on performance. McLaren and
Ferrari each receive $22 million, while even a team with no points last year
like British American Racing (BAR) received $6 million.

"Television became Ecclestone's main focus, not the paying customers. He
recognized the potential of TV and how little of it was being utilized. 'I
don't care if nobody shows up at the track, it's television that will drive
this sport,' he said nearly 10 years ago when an estimated 50 million people
were watching. Today, 350 million tune in to a Grand Prix 17 times a year."

"The Economist" Takes A Major Shot at F1's Ecclestone; TV Details Given

Britain's leading business magazine, The Economist, takes a major swing at
F1 czar Bernie Ecclestone in its July 15th issue and, in the process, gives
us a peek at F1 TV details:

The 17 races pull in a total of more than 5 billion viewers.

The stated TV revenue for 1999 is $241 million, a number which most people
assume is severely understated.

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Slam dunk for me. BTW, I do own my own company. Stock sale coming soon.
Interested? :-P

David G Fisher

Here I go again... I wish schools would deviate from cramming formulas and
algebra into students and instead tried to instill some sense of how big big
numbers actually are. Possibly trying to develop some kind of intuition to
guard against organistions, and I don't just mean the FIA, but also
environmental groups, governments and NGO's trying to prove their point with
(doctored) statistics. Stimulate some orginal thought for once, but I guess
that would be very dangerous 'cuz you can't really mark it.

Anyway, let's have a stab at an estimate of the number of people watching
the race live.

5 billion people in the world. Assuming most people sleep 8 hours a day,
1/3rd will be sleeping at the time of the GP. i.e. potential audience
reduced 3.4 billion.

Suppose half of these people have access to a TV (very generous,
irrespective of it showing F1 live or not), i.e. 1.7 billion potential
viewers.

From recent viewing figures (www.humo.be) 197.170 out of a population of 4.5
million watched the Canadian GP in Flanders (early Sunday evening here...
absolutely no competion from anything), that's... <calculator> 4.4%.

Extrapolating to the world audience (irrespective of the distribution of
intereest which does exist) we get: 4.4% out of 1.7billion... <calculator>
74.8 million viewers worldwide.

This is extrapolated from the very generous assumption half the world's
population has access to live F1 broadcasts and taking viewing numbers from
a more than average motorsport minded region of Europe.

350million? -Nah... never, just not possible _at all_.

If you count every s***of F1 footage shown of a race, ever, perhaps. But
certainly not live.

Jan.
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"David G Fisher" quoted...

Now DGF Mr Stock Sale Firm Owner!! Listen up!!
DGF! I didnt ask you to re-hash old news! You just ask querys so you
can re-post more old crap!! I gave you the info and that was it!!! Now
you talk about name calling? This is definately the 'kettle calling the pot'
black! Just in the past 3-4 days you were swaring at people on here &
***,***maining & groainig so don t even go here!!
Btw: I do not buy your owning stock brokerage company or any other!
I've been away 'most' of the day but when I came back I counted how
many posts you made here in the past 24 hours!! If you own your own
firm you better fire your ass as you are on here entirely too much to be
in the stock business!! If you were truely had a businesss you wouldnt
have the time to post, re-post & re-post here over & over!
You profess to be this, then that and now you are some type of stock
firm owner [or whatever] You *BullShit* entirely too much! Sadly all
here knows this except yourself! Fact! Can we say pathological liar?

| > You are so egomaniacal it's unbelievable! I already *told! you that I
read
| > many posts & other comments on the web.. They had many #s that were
| > in discrepancy but the were in the millions. Meaning "Mr Self Proclaimed
| > Intellect" apparently the #s were not that far off! Dummy!!
| > God' your thick sometimes! Who or Whomever you work for should be
| > awarded the "All Saints Tolerance Award" but in retrospect they should
| > also be affraid! Very Affraid! Phew!!! And dont give me that "I own my
| > own company" B.S. either...
| >

| > | BTW, where's your proof that F1 doesn't have on average 300 million tv
| > | viewers per race?
| > |
| > | David G Fisher
|
| What were your estimates again? You said mine were ridiculous? Called me
| names?
|
| From (at the bottom of the page): http://www.racesimcentral.net/
|
| More Formula One TV Details
|
| "RPM 2Night" commentator Robin Miller of The Indianapolis Star gives some
| details about the Formula One TV contract:
|
| TV revenue is $350 million annually.
|
| $180 million of the TV revenue is distributed to the teams.
|
| However, the money is distributed to teams based on performance. McLaren
and
| Ferrari each receive $22 million, while even a team with no points last
year
| like British American Racing (BAR) received $6 million.
|
| "Television became Ecclestone's main focus, not the paying customers. He
| recognized the potential of TV and how little of it was being utilized. 'I
| don't care if nobody shows up at the track, it's television that will
drive
| this sport,' he said nearly 10 years ago when an estimated 50 million
people
| were watching. Today, 350 million tune in to a Grand Prix 17 times a
year."
|
|
|
| "The Economist" Takes A Major Shot at F1's Ecclestone; TV Details Given
|
| Britain's leading business magazine, The Economist, takes a major swing at
| F1 czar Bernie Ecclestone in its July 15th issue and, in the process,
gives
| us a peek at F1 TV details:
|
| The 17 races pull in a total of more than 5 billion viewers.
|
| The stated TV revenue for 1999 is $241 million, a number which most people
| assume is severely understated.
|
|
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| -----------------------------
|
| Slam dunk for me. BTW, I do own my own company. Stock sale coming soon.
| Interested? :-P
|
| David G Fisher
|
|
|

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First of all, there are six billion people on this planet, so maybe you are
the one who needs some more education. Eliminating 1 billion people from the
world population is not a good way to begin a lecture on statistics.

Every time there is a "ratings" topic, we always have people who must doubt
them.

Also, do you have any idea whatsoever how popular F1 is in Asia, compared to
the rest of the world? Location of a ratings sample absolutely does matter.
For instance, only about 250,000 people out of 275 million in the U.S. watch
each F1 race.

NBC had 3 million viewers on avg. for their reg. season games in the U.S.
alone. 15 million avg. for each game in the Finals (U.S.).

Any idea how many people world wide watch the NFL's Super Bowl?

350 million world wide for a F1 race is certainly realistic, especially
since it is broadcast in about 80 countries, and has the same type of
popularity as soccer.

Who said anything about "live" viewership anyway? I tape races that come on
at a really inconvenient hour. What really matters to advertisers is how
many people watch the race when it's initially broadcast in a particular
location, live or not.

An individual can always doubt the "numbers". Fact is, advertisers who
invest billions base their investment on ratings. Adverti***t contracts
are negotiated based on these ratings (or do they come to Jan V.?) Do you
really think these estimated numbers are given little priority with regard
to accuracy? Do you think Bernie's 12 year old nephew was put in charge of
totalling these viewership numbers? Do you think advertisers don't don't do
a little bit of checking? Come on Jan, F1 is too big for you to believe that
the numbers aren't important enough to all involved to be thoroughly
researched.

F1, even if the number of people who tune in is 335 million per race instead
of 350 million, is still a phemonemally popular sport, dwarfing almost
everything else in comparison, including NASCAR
http://www.racesimcentral.net/%2C1169%2C3621187_6%2C00.html

David G Fisher

Old news! Not interested one bit as it wasnt what I presented to you
for the past 4-5 posts. I can not relate to your frame of mind at all. If
you want to rehash old bullshit find another to bore.. Sadly, ur antics
are really old at this point.. Time to move on..

| Wow, you avoided my "proof" completely.
| No, I don't care if you call me names.
| No, I don't own a stock brokerage. That wasn't what I said.
| David G Fisher
|
| > Now DGF Mr Stock Sale Firm Owner!! Listen up!!
| > DGF! I didnt ask you to re-hash old news! You just ask querys so you
| > can re-post more old crap!! I gave you the info and that was it!!! Now
| > you talk about name calling? This is definately the 'kettle calling the
| pot'
| > black! Just in the past 3-4 days you were swaring at people on here &
| > ***,***maining & groainig so don t even go here!!
| > Btw: I do not buy your owning stock brokerage company or any other!
| > I've been away 'most' of the day but when I came back I counted how
| > many posts you made here in the past 24 hours!! If you own your own
| > firm you better fire your ass as you are on here entirely too much to be
| > in the stock business!! If you were truely had a businesss you wouldnt
| > have the time to post, re-post & re-post here over & over!
| > You profess to be this, then that and now you are some type of stock
| > firm owner [or whatever] You *BullShit* entirely too much! Sadly all
| > here knows this except yourself! Fact! Can we say pathological liar?
| >


| > | > You are so egomaniacal it's unbelievable! I already *told! you that
I
| > read
| > | > many posts & other comments on the web.. They had many #s that were
| > | > in discrepancy but the were in the millions. Meaning "Mr Self
| Proclaimed
| > | > Intellect" apparently the #s were not that far off! Dummy!!
| > | > God' your thick sometimes! Who or Whomever you work for should be
| > | > awarded the "All Saints Tolerance Award" but in retrospect they
should
| > | > also be affraid! Very Affraid! Phew!!! And dont give me that "I own
my
| > | > own company" B.S. either...
| > | >

| > | > | BTW, where's your proof that F1 doesn't have on average 300
million
| tv
| > | > | viewers per race?
| > | > |
| > | > | David G Fisher
| > |
| > | What were your estimates again? You said mine were ridiculous? Called
me
| > | names?
| > |
| > | From (at the bottom of the page): http://www.racesimcentral.net/
| > |
| > | More Formula One TV Details
| > |
| > | "RPM 2Night" commentator Robin Miller of The Indianapolis Star gives
| some
| > | details about the Formula One TV contract:
| > |
| > | TV revenue is $350 million annually.
| > |
| > | $180 million of the TV revenue is distributed to the teams.
| > |
| > | However, the money is distributed to teams based on performance.
McLaren
| > and
| > | Ferrari each receive $22 million, while even a team with no points
last
| > year
| > | like British American Racing (BAR) received $6 million.
| > |
| > | "Television became Ecclestone's main focus, not the paying customers.
He
| > | recognized the potential of TV and how little of it was being
utilized.
| 'I
| > | don't care if nobody shows up at the track, it's television that will
| > drive
| > | this sport,' he said nearly 10 years ago when an estimated 50 million
| > people
| > | were watching. Today, 350 million tune in to a Grand Prix 17 times a
| > year."
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "The Economist" Takes A Major Shot at F1's Ecclestone; TV Details
Given
| > |
| > | Britain's leading business magazine, The Economist, takes a major
swing
| at
| > | F1 czar Bernie Ecclestone in its July 15th issue and, in the process,
| > gives
| > | us a peek at F1 TV details:
| > |
| > | The 17 races pull in a total of more than 5 billion viewers.
| > |
| > | The stated TV revenue for 1999 is $241 million, a number which most
| people
| > | assume is severely understated.
| > |
| > |
| >
|
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------
| > --
| > | -----------------------------
| > |
| > | Slam dunk for me. BTW, I do own my own company. Stock sale coming
soon.
| > | Interested? :-P
| > |
| > | David G Fisher
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
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Not that I really give a ***, but to me "350 million viewers watching 17
GPs" means an accumulated 350 million over the season.  Including, BTW, me.

Ben