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N2003 Demo Opinion

MadDAW

N2003 Demo Opinion

by MadDAW » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:43:16

While the bumps are not "felt" a lot either thru the FF or visual, I think
they do have an effect on the downforce. I can do a pretty good DJ
impression now coming of T4 at MIS. I'm thinking on that little dip air is
getting under the car and making it light. And in my case around she goes.
lol

MadDAWG

Joachim Trens

N2003 Demo Opinion

by Joachim Trens » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:06:33

Cool :)

Achim


Gerry Aitke

N2003 Demo Opinion

by Gerry Aitke » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:54:41




> > > Yes, the cars do handle differently and better IMO, and that's
> > important.
> > > Much more grip through the turns even as the tires wear down. People
> > will
> > > probably be running multiple lines and replays may now look like the
> > real
> > > races do at tracks like California and Michigan. With such a drastic
> > > difference (it was immediately obvious), where are the people who
> > insisted
> > > that Papyrus had it JUST RIGHT in N2002? Those are apparently the same
> > > people who insisted they had the tire model and grip just right in
> > GPL. They
> > > would be called "Papy groupies".

> > You can't have it both ways. A minor update only Papy fans would
> > consider acceptable at full price and a significant change proving N2002
> > wasn't perfect.

> > Cheers
> > Tony

> Yes, it's still a minor update. How long am I supposed to believe it takes
> to adjust the tire model/grip? A year of 14 hour days by the entire Papyrus
> development team?

> I know, I know, it's more complicated than that. The building of the space
> station is nothing in comparison.

Make a stand, Dave, and don't buy it!
Gerry Aitke

N2003 Demo Opinion

by Gerry Aitke » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:00:39

<SNIP>

Hi mate.

That, according to Dave, is my main hobby!

When he does that, I know it's both chips talking.

Cheers

Gerry

Bob

N2003 Demo Opinion

by Bob » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:32:11

Never ceases to amaze me how many supposedly intelligent people will
criticize an unseen finished product, based on a leaked media demo that has
been stated to represent only about 80% of what is in the final product.

When some one with the reputation of beta tester Rodney Arndt makes such
positive comments about the final product, I'm more than ready and willing
to plunk down my 50 bucks.



Larr

N2003 Demo Opinion

by Larr » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:34:57

As a Demo, maybe the full Damage Model isn't implemented yet?

-Larry



Larr

N2003 Demo Opinion

by Larr » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:38:35

"Tire temps now start out warmer or colder depending on track weather"

Does this now mean that there is a benifit to warming the tires while under
pace/yellow ?

Larry

Larr

N2003 Demo Opinion

by Larr » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:41:46

"Auto option for setting AI behavior that adjusts itself automatically based
on past performances"

I understand the adaptive speed control, but I don't quite get this one.

Does this mean they raise/lower their level based on how YOU do each race,
lap or ???

Larry

Larr

N2003 Demo Opinion

by Larr » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:42:48

"Hard core mode"

Can anyone amplify this one a bit?  Where is it turned on, and what exactly
does it do ?

Larry

MadDAW

N2003 Demo Opinion

by MadDAW » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:43:54


Not if your one of my *** body men. lol

I did notice driving one the grass (I told you i do it a lot) that you do
get more of the typical bump feel.

MadDAWG

Larr

N2003 Demo Opinion

by Larr » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:49:00


I noticed this too!  I did a few particulary stupid corner entries at Dega
(the fast setup is tight as hell) and in both cases the AI corrected for MY
mistakes and avoided the major collisions quite well.

If the online collision reactions have improved this much, then online
racing with NR may have just changed in a major way.  Maybe this is the end
of the "Flea Flicker" collision detection online ?

Haven't found this yet.  Where are the settings?

I think it's a bit better too, especially at lower frame rates.

You know, I think the "Wobbles" might finally be gone!

-Larry

Larr

N2003 Demo Opinion

by Larr » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:51:36

Yeah, with the standard fast setup I've been losing the ass-end about 3 out
of every 5 laps there so far :)

Larry


Jan Verschuere

N2003 Demo Opinion

by Jan Verschuere » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:19:04

No, it never is benificial to attempt to warm the tyres at pacing speed. The
risks far outweigh what little temperature you can get in the tyres.

Just don't do it.

Jan.
=---

Joachim Trens

N2003 Demo Opinion

by Joachim Trens » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:22:00

Hi Larry,

IMHO the AI not only try to avoid the player more than they used to, but
also when collisions happen, it's not always the human player who loses out.
I also find that actual fender rubbing is now a lot more possible without
getting the player into trouble.

I hadn't actually thought of consequences on online racing, but if it is as
you suggest, that would indeed be a substantial step toward more realistic
online racing.

As for the telemetry options, they're in the replay section of core.ini, and
they're pretty detailed. I've tried them and at least on my system they
didn't cause any fps hit, so I think  we can easily use them in online races
and the only price we'll pay is replay size.

Achim


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Joachim Trens

N2003 Demo Opinion

by Joachim Trens » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:26:01

Hi Gerry,

we've been missing you for some flying the other night. But then we guessed
you're having so much fun with the demo that you've forgotten to come back
:-)

Achim



> <SNIP>

> Hi mate.

> > Now if you want to reply Dave, before you reply, please sit back ;-) and
> > make yourself aware that it isn't my purpose to yank your chain, to
annoy
> > you or to make you angry.

> That, according to Dave, is my main hobby!

> > I've written the above after some serious thinking
> > and consideration, as a contribution of thoughts and facts to the topic.
> > Don't call me names or accuse me of***ing someone's boots ;-)

> When he does that, I know it's both chips talking.

> Cheers

> Gerry


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