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If people cant handle the cars in GPL.... then thats not mine nor Papy's
problem.
They should either put up or shut up IMHO!
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Edwin Solheim
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THANK GOD for the fact that you have spoken up, Doc!! :-)
I was starting to think that  was fighting a losing battle here over the past
several days in my meagre efforts to convince some of the nay-sayers that yes,
indeed, this simulation is the first to approach reality.

Thank you for your comments........I don't feel so alone now! :-)

% Finally, someone who has this thing in perspective! I too can't
% believe people are defending this game so vigorously. It's pretty fun
% to drive, but I think its going to suck for racing. It's just to hard
% to run consistant laps. In 10 laps, my times will have a 10 sec range.
% I know a bunch of you are going to say I need more practice.... true.
% But this is just like anyother Papy sim when it comes to road courses.
% They do great ovals games.... but racing on the road leaves a lot to
% be desired. Indycar 1 and 2, nascar 1 and 2.... same problem... drives
% like the cars are on ice. In real racing, drivers will turn lap after
% lap within tenths or hundreths of a sec. Try to do that in PAPY sim on
% a road course. In GP2  (insert collective groan here), I can do this.

Funny, I ain't the best sim driver out there, but guess what, I can do
it lap after lap on road circuits in both ICR2 & NASCAR2 (and I don't
even like ice skating <G>).  

% Bottom line IMO, there are 2 schools, Geoff Crammond and Papyrus. I
% like the Crammond way. People who disagree.... hmmm...let me guess
% which one you like.

Speaking of schools, maybe these jokers need to be taken out to a Skip
Barber School and educated as what it means to drive a race car.

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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
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% > and I takes some of the fun out of the game.  I find it interesting that
% > after I spin or run off course when I think I'm going relatively slow
% > and go to the replay, the replay shows me going twice as fast as I
% > thought.

% No visual cues???? It has the best 3D***pit anywhere and you say this?
% You guys are just plain hopeless I'm afraid! This sim gives more
% feedback as to what's going on than any other by a mile! It seems your
% so pitiful that you can't even get yourself thru the process of learning
% the braking points. LOL. Give the man some wings before he kills
% himself!

I have to agree, especially if one is not getting a good fast frame rate
display, the "visual" cues of speed are just flat out missing.  The
better the frame rate the better the visual cues for judging one's
speed.  We are talking about the 3d tub and the cues given by its
movement, as this reflects what one is doing to the car, but not speed.

F1RS gives good "visual" cues for speed (track tecture, shadows on the
track, close fences or trees flashing past, light playing off and
through the trackside objects, etc.).  Hopefully once Papy gets the
graphics engine optimized we will see a better sense of speed in GLP.
I certainly need it.  I need every little "cue" I can get to control
this beast!

% > I know that I will get flamed for this,but IMHO this demo is not what it
% > is cracked up to be(I do realize it is a pre-alpha), it's just the new
% > kid on the block and with time you will see more and more criticism,
% > constructive or otherwise.

%     And the fools that do will get flamed just like you if it's as
% obvious as this that they're just that hopeless. It took everyone hours
% and hours to get good at sims like ICR2/GP2 and I thank Papy very much
% for making GPL the same. It's what makes for greatness - not some stupid
% arcade kiddy thing that is mastered in half an hour and boring you
% shitless half an hour after that!

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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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hey sheep!

   Funny thing is, that was one of the major complaints I heard about
F1RS ie no sense of speed. Maybe these criticisms came from CPR people.
I think perhaps the view in CPR was a little overmagnified anyway. I
agree totally with what you say about the proximity of trackside
objects. Watkins glen, being a road course rather than a street course,
has no close objects, something most will be happy about since they will
thus be hitting less things :)

  Well, Papyrus sims already do this. It is implicit in the programming
as it should be. If you think about it, an option to alter this is
actually not realistic at all since you would be actually changing the
physics model in terms of inertia.

   Tip - adjust linearity to full. Papy sims have the best control
feedback bar none!

Out of context, yes, but I couldn't help it.

Alan

Must admit, that's something I've never wanted to try ;-) Do you ever use
the GP1 paddles for their intended purpose? If not, shouldn't it be
possible to wire in a switch instead of the pots? I've only used a GP1 a
few times and never looked inside so I don't know if this is a realistic
option or not.

There's two aspects here - assigning controls and then determining how
the inputs should be interpolated. GP2 is the best at the latter.

Cheers,
Richard

Not too bad thanks. Things are getting pretty hectic at work with lots of
very frustrating contractual issues due to the ***y millennium but I've
still been putting in quite a bit of time with N2 on TEN - and now
pirouetting all over the place in GPL ;-)

How about yourself? Giving up the real thing to become a full time
simmer, perhaps?

Cheers,
Richard

ROFL! But all too true ;-)

Personally I do tend to work out the limits in sims by deliberately
pushing the car beyond them, but that's only because I'm impatient <g>

The real test about all this stuff comes when we'll be racing online with
realistic damage. Then it becomes a case of know exactly what your limits
are and driving within them. I remember a 15 lap Sear Point race on TEN
where I was a long way from being the fastest but won by a whole lap with
only one other finisher <vbg>

The main difference I've found with GPL compared to the other sims is
that the limits really are just that. With the others it's a case of
'oops, a bit hot into that corner - no worries though, just back off the
throttle and all I've lost is a tenth or two'. Not so with GPL and a lot
of sim 'experts' are going to have to completely redefine their driving
approach...

Cheers,
Richard