Thanks :)
Randy
> OK, folks. I give up. I'm done trying to help by giving out
> information about the patch because people are just going to pick
> apart words instead of listen to what is being said.
> This is my last posting on this subject.
> 1) The DOS patch will be out soon online.
> 2) Sierra is working out the details on how to get the new DOS/Win
> 95/Mac CD out to legitimate owners of the DOS-only ICR 2 that shipped
> in December.
> It's really no wonder that no other company sits up here to answer
> questions. I'm wondering if it's worth it myself.
> Ed Martin
> Producer, Series Director
> NASCAR Racing League
> Papyrus / Sierra On-Line, Inc.
If I recall what was going on in this newsgroup (from Rick and so on):
First there was supposed to be a coupon in the box for the Win95
version. So well it wasn't. But shortly after this, the question was
answered here in the newsgroup that for a small fee, you could get
the "upgrade". (Seems pretty much that what is going on now)
So then Rick made the statement that it would be possible to download
a patch that upgraded the DOS to the WIN version. I'm pretty sure
that Rick fully stood behind this as it seems that he is responsible
for the patch. I think he had all intention to make this upgrade
happen. So now he left (I don't know why and it is none of my business)
and it seems impossible to fullfil his accomplishment. To load
everything on the back of Ed is a little unfair.
OK the patch takes a long time. But then there is a patch. There
are a lot of other companies, where there are no patches at all, or
the patch costs you the full prize of a normal game every year.
(I'm sure you know what I mean ;-) ) It seems that as Rick ( and
others) so often told us, that there are some priorities to respect.
So the patch wasn't one of the first. Period. I enjoyed the game
trying to work myself around the bugs.
So now there will be the DOS patch. OK my bugs are fixed. For all
those who want the WIN95 version it seems that they can get it in a
short period of time for an apple and an egg. This is just fine
for me and I don't understand why some guys are just getting mad
about it. I don't say you shouldn't complain about it but to get
mad at someone who isn't responsible for it just doesn't make sense.
My 0.02$
Happy Racing
--
Kai Wesling
Universitaet Bremen, Deutschland
Ernzen, Luxemburg
[edited quotes out]
Imagine what it is like running for president!
Ya, things have gotten pretty damn ugly round here lately. But it is
definitely worth it to be up here for a company like Papyrus- ALL the
other companies worth their salt that I've been interested in have had
people up in USENET, from Descent to Janes' Longbow Apache, and it has
engaged at least this customer much more than I might have otherwise
been in the software. It is a real sign that a company really cares
about its product- it was cool hearing the Descent programmer brag
about D2 the day before it hit the stores... And he caught a lot of
heat, people pissed about having to use the CD, etc, but in the end,
he helped the cause. It is, sadly, a very fine line one walks up here.
The thing to remember is, MOST people aren't thinking like the
flamers, and most people will have a lot of respect for a company that
puts up with the crap. Fact is, I wouldn't be able to deal with all
this ***people are throwing around- you'd have to hire somebody with
a bit more leather for skin.
Ed Martin wrote
>
> OK, folks. I give up. I'm done trying to help by giving out
> information about the patch because people are just going to pick
> apart words instead of listen to what is being said.
>
> This is my last posting on this subject.
>
> 1) The DOS patch will be out soon online.
> 2) Sierra is working out the details on how to get the new DOS/Win
> 95/Mac CD out to legitimate owners of the DOS-only ICR 2 that shipped
> in December.
>
> It's really no wonder that no other company sits up here to answer
> questions. I'm wondering if it's worth it myself.
>
> Ed Martin
> Producer, Series Director
> NASCAR Racing League
> Papyrus / Sierra On-Line, Inc.
Frustrated, Ed? Not a good feeling, eh? You see they've all been waiting
and waiting and waiting, one more false date, one more delay, more [I'm
afraid this is how they see it, and why not?] bullshit. I'm talking about
F1GP2, by the way. But I might as well be talking about the forthcoming
ICR2 patch. Same thing, see? You can't release the patch last week for
retail sales and say this week that the patch is being tested. That's bad
maths. It doesn't add up. That's what's pissing this newsgroup off.
It may not seem so important at the moment, but credibility is a good
thing to hold onto.
Personally, I like the way the ICR2 cars handle. I don't need the bug
fix. As far as I'm concerned. this is the car, this is how it handles, go
drive it. And I don't race with yellow flags, so the patch is no big deal
to me. But the bullshit is. Man, I hate bullshit.
Roy
>>Mike
>I get your point Mike. But remember, a lot of us punks pay your
>salaries. The bottom line can be summed up with this smart ass
>remark," Are you here because of us, or are we here because of you?"
>;-)
Mike
>>Mike
>I get your point Mike. But remember, a lot of us punks pay your
>salaries. The bottom line can be summed up with this smart ass
>remark," Are you here because of us, or are we here because of you?"
>;-)
Hang in there Mike & Ed, Those of us who drive real sim cars (Nascar)
Do appreciate your time and effort and patience.
Ron R II
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Very much agreed! Please don't be scared off by the few that may tend
to get out of line here. Everyone has their purpose and from what I
can tell, the angry only are trying to reach you in the best way they
know. The support and information you and other Papyrus/Sierra people
give us in this newsgroup is priceless. Since this is an open forum to
discussion, there will always be those who tend not to be so
understanding and appreciative in their posts. Please keep up the
support for the grateful majority!
Thanks,
Ron
> I personally feel that Sierra should do the "right" thing and follow
> Intel's lead on this issue. Intel sent me a free p5-90 in replacement
> for the "buggy" one I owned. They also included return Fed-Ex postage
> for me to send them my "buggy" chip. Sierra knows who the registered
> owners of ICR2 are, they should send us the upgraded version and include
> a pre-postage paid envelope. I will gladly send them back my "buggy"
> copy of ICR2.
> Sierra should just bite the bullet on this one. They should be reminded
> of how they got to be so big. One of the reasons they stayed in
> business in their early days was due to their wonderful and excellent
> customer support. Now that they have grown so large, all I can think of
> is what Lilly Tomlin used to say, "We don't have to care, we're the
> phone company!"
Presumably this situation will affect all international customers.
How do people in the UK get on with replacements?
What is the replacement policy for international customers?
A decidedly unhappy Geoff in New Zealand :-(
Directory PATH listing for Volume STACVOL_DSK
F:.
+---CARS
| \---CARS95
+---EFFECTS
+---OBJS
+---PAINTKIT
+---ROL
+---SOUND
+---TRACKS
| +---AUSTRAL
| +---CLEVLAND
| +---DETROIT
| +---ELKHART
| +---LAGUNA
| +---LONGBCH
| +---MICHIGAN
| +---MIDOHIO
| +---MLWAUKEE
| +---NAZARETH
| +---NWENGLND
| +---PHOENIX
| +---PORTLAND
| +---TORONTO
| \---VANCOUVR
+---EDITRPY
\---TRCKTIME
In fact, I would go so far as to say that people who are always
"positive", and never, never complain for fear of ruffling feathers,
are those who are truly not understanding nor appreciative. They are a
pure waste of bandwidth that has no content or benefit.
Joe
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Michael Kirton
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True, We are all a waste of BW lately.
Have fun adding to this thread.... I'm done.
Ron
