I do have a job , thank you very much. Im not a ***er bopper like most
who frequent this page! So you dont think sierra is making a killing in
profits from these games they release , they release them when selling is
good even if it is half ass! Nascar 2 is probably done but a christmas
release would bring in more sales at retail prices. Sierra is out to make
money like everybody else and these patches are made so you will buy
there products in the future. Thats good business and nothing more.
So stop fooling yourself thinking that there for us. By the way do you
have a job if so half ass work doesnt keep the job and then you will have
to rely on mommy and daddy to buy you nascar 2. No excuses are the words
my boss uses and its true if you want to remain competitive in the job
market.If you cant do it somone else can and will.
Think about it if somone else could do a indycar game and it was a whole
lot better who would you buy it from. Anyways do you get your software
free last I checked it cost $50 to $60 to buy the game and yet
your only getting half off what the game can do.I coudnt make the game
but they have the tools and the know how and thats why they do it and
beleive me they wouldnt do it if they wernt making money, would you.
your just a number in sales and nothing more.
I don't want to sound stupid but what patch?
the lame thing is I race modem on ICR2 at least 3 times a week
and every race gets messed up by the yellow flag crap.
I didnt pay $50 for this ***did I?
I know nothing about Sierra's financial situation.
Do you really believe this? You think that a game like Nascar can be cranked
out quickly, then the company sits on it instead of selling it? I hope this was
a joke.
Papyrus is releasing the patch for free, how is that 'trying to make money?' If
all Sierra wanted to do was make money from us, they would release a new
version of the game and make you pay another 50 bucks instead of making it a
patch for existing users. I don't think that the guys at Papyrus are my
friends, nor do I think they're greedy scum-sucking bastards. I don't know
them. But I like getting things for free.
I work. I just bought myself a new Pentium Pro system. I'm also in college (on
summer 'break' right now of course.) I don't believe in doing any job halfway
either. If I make a mistake or do something wrong I own up to it and make
things right, as i'm sure Papyrus will do based on their past postings here.
But nobody is giving them a chance to explain themselves.
It's true that Papyrus doesn't have any direct competition in the driving sim
market. If there was a better product out, i'd own it. My whole point is that
you said you expect software to be bug-free and perfect when it first comes
out. Not even a company with the money and resources of Microsoft can do that;
witness Windows 95. Indycar 2 is very playable, and does everything it's
supposed to do. Papyrus hasn't made any false claims about it's capabilities.
I still remember back in the 80's when software companies would release buggy,
unusable software, and go right out of business. These days that doesn't happen
too often, luckily. When a company releases a product, patches the bugs, and
even talks with users, i'm more than happy because I remember how things used
to be. When I see people whine and complain that a patch isn't out on time, I
think they must not have been really ripped off yet. Good customer support is
still a bonus, not the norm, in this industry.
>>If your boss came up to you one day at work (assuming you DO have a job) and
>>said, "For all the money I pay you, you should do everything right the first
>>time, no excuses!", what would your response be?
>Do you have a job? Because that is the goal. Corporate America is not
>looking for excuses, its looking for people who can take
>responsibilty.
On 22 Jun 1996 22:32:59 GMT, jennifer gonzalez
>>Man , you act as if software is cheap. For the price you have to
>>pay it should be right the first time. So stick that in your pipe
>>ans smoke it.
>If your boss came up to you one day at work (assuming you DO have a job) and
>said, "For all the money I pay you, you should do everything right the first
>time, no excuses!", what would your response be?
Jobs are not right 100% of the time, the first time. But you don't
flame the employee for it. You work with them to correct their
mistakes (patches) and help them learn from them. If everyone had to
be right the first time, we'd all be unemployed.
>>If your boss came up to you one day at work (assuming you DO have a job) and
>>said, "For all the money I pay you, you should do everything right the first
>>time, no excuses!", what would your response be?
>Do you have a job? Because that is the goal. Corporate America is not
>looking for excuses, its looking for people who can take
>responsibilty.
Sounds like ownership of the situation to me. And yes, I have a job,
but if I were always right the first time 100% of the time, I'd be
God, but I know I'm not, and besides, I think someone else in this
newsgroup has already laid claim to that title.
>>>If your boss came up to you one day at work (assuming you DO have a job) and
>>>said, "For all the money I pay you, you should do everything right the first
>>>time, no excuses!", what would your response be?
>>Do you have a job? Because that is the goal. Corporate America is not
>>looking for excuses, its looking for people who can take
>>responsibilty.
>I suppose I should have left the 'no excuses' part out. I don't believe in
>excuses either; I got enough of them from Quantex (computer maker) to make me
>cancel my order with them. I believe that people decide their own fates by
>their actions. People are jumping all over Papyrus on the weekend, when they
>aren't open. I'm waiting for an official explanation (or lack of one) on Monday
>or Tuesday before I make up my mind about them. Whining doesn't do anything but
>tell Papyrus we're a bunch of whiners, and there's sure a lot of it going on in
>this group.
Just the fact that you're willing to wait shows you have patience. I
just hope the folks at Sierra/Papyrus do too, because the whiners here
don't and they want it now. I just want an end to the flames against
Papyrus.
On Sun, 23 Jun 1996 18:18:12 -0400, "Bruno Amaral"
My job requires me to be correct, but I don't lose my job if I make a
mistake. We all learn from it, set an example so others don't (like
note the fix and move on with life), and consider it experience I now
have to carry with me to the next project.
Papyrus/Sierra's only mistake was trying to announce a soft release
date for the patch, and people in this newsgroup are making them pay
for it way more than they should, instead of exercising some patience.
You just answered your own question. No one said when they were going
to release it (as in an exact day). Rick or Ed have been kind enough
to speak to the end of this week or next, but if there was an exact
date, show me where.
On 24 Jun 1996 03:05:04 GMT, jennifer gonzalez
The only thing complaining about it does is say to Sierra and Papyrus
they shouldn't even bother and tell us the approximate release dates
for patches.
As for the tools, I restate my earlier post...how do you get human
artificial driving intelligence and physical track conditions 100%
right 100% of the time?
>Is 7 months specific enough? I can only imagine their payroll if they
>have been working overtime since December to get a patch out. I for
>one am glad I contributed so early to the effort (Nov. 28). My money
>is being well spent.....Not!
>And how do you know how hard they've been working?
How hard? Just ask, like I did. And if you say they're just a bunch
of liars or exaggerating the facts, then I'd say you're a pessimist by
nature or paranoid. Not an attack on you, just an assumption of
reading your response.
On Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:02:45 GMT, billy wardrope
