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Instead of buying it and playing it and practising it, they're just giving a
warez version a few laps and saying its ***'cause they couldn't be
bothered racing it and finding a right set-up.

So the *** experience and simulation accuracy are not as high a
priority as track accuracy then?

That's because Papy couldn't travel back in time to visit the tracks in
1967. For F12K on the other hand, the developers *could* visit each
track and take detailed data. That's not to mention all the other data
sources they had access to which Papy would not have had.
Now I don't own F12K, so I'm not commenting on the track accuracy in
that sim :-)

Not going to disagree with that :-)

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Another time, I explained well the difference between GPL and F1 2000.

The FIA gives to people who have licenses the access to blueprints of
tracks.  They give them extensive video footage, pictures, etc..  Members of
the developping normally go to the tracks to take even further information.
If so, please tell me why is the Parabolica that bad? Why is the Montreal
track so screwed? Why is the overall feeling of many tracks simply wrong?  I
won't go into nitpicks, it would be too long to explain, but the overall
sensation is simply wrong.  I want to-the-inch track width accuracy.  I want
correct the correct curbing of the road at Silverstone.  I want the almost
trail-braking corners at Silverstone like in real-life.  I want a correct
green run-off exiting the last chicance at Imola after the kurb.

You did not have that for GPL.  Some track portions don't even exist
anymore! Other tracks were completely changed, or have completely different
corners.  It's impossible to have real-time data, they had to rely on
archives.

Of course I do understand that the tools might not be fully developped in
the year 2000, that it will take us years until we have correctly GPS-ed
tracks (we all saw the C:PR fiasco with that).  If you remember many
messages I did on r.a.s, you'll see I don't just gripe about the track
accuracy at F12k.

I personally feel that third party track editing is benefitial for such
thing.  Gp2 has incredibly accurate tracks not because Geoff made them
excellent (they were excellent but for the era), but because some people
devoted time to create tracks they know by heart.  They know each
centimeter, each imperfection of the road, each small elevation of the
track.

I still praise ISI since I see the potential for track editing.  SCGT has
the possibility to do so, and I really hope they have left F1 2000 open for
quality third-party editing.

F1 2000 is the best of the worst.  We will be reaching soon a level where we
will finally see a quality F1 simulator.  I see the potential in the ISI
game engine.  It's quite high in seriousness.  But there is a long way to
go, especially since we have yet to hear any feedback by them (please
correct me anybody).

As for the AI, I personally would agree with you, but don't underestimate
the quality of the AI in GPL.  Still, I haven't raced the AI in any title
for years...  What's the fun of it? ;)

Good discussion.

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% Instead of buying it and playing it and practising it, they're just giving a
% warez version a few laps and saying its ***'cause they couldn't be
% bothered racing it and finding a right set-up.

Bull crappy!  I bought it and tried it and tweaked it and wasn't happy
with it.  Had nothing to do with a warez version (and I don't see it even
being close to threatening GPL).  It was an unsatisfying program based
on my criteria.  Some like it.....  some simply enjoy it.....  while
others have found it too lacking for their tastes.  

People's tastes and demands in a racing simulation differ.  Just accept
that and get on with life.....

While your post wasn't specifically directed at me, I resent the
disrespect you give me in my evaluation of F1 2000.  Not to mention the
disrespect you give others who gave it a fair trail and didn't like the
product.

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This was done for F12K I believe.

Thank God for that!

Iain

Just my $0.02

J.

David G Fisher