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Ian Parker


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So why did you asked him? If you did, it's because you wanted to spend your
time reading his reply.  It would take you the same amount of time checking
deja than reading the reply Michael would had done.  Double standards here,
you are on purpose searching for people to reply to you so that you can
continue to argue for F1 2000.  I don't see in any way how you could change
people's opinion about it.

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

I asked him so that I could read his views in an easy efficient way.  I
can't be bothered seeking his views out by going to deja, searching for him
and F12K, and looking through an endless list of messages. It doesn't mean
that much to me.

I have absolutely no purpose at all as far as F12K is concerned except for
making a relevant point whenever necessary. As far as I can see, it is you
who has some weird agenda.

I don't want to change people's opinion on it as most people seem to agree
with me. However, if they don't then as long as they stick to the facts
(unlike you) then that is fine. I really couldn't care less if people like
F12K, N3, GPL, SCGT, GP2, GP3 F1RS, MGPRS2, or any other sim as long as they
don't misrepresent the software and give a false impression to others who
are seeking info.

Keep smiling!
Iain

I know! ;)

It took me exactly 10seconds to find his full opinion.

Open browser/Type http://www.deja.com/usenet

20 matches found.  Bingo.

How do you know? You polled the newsgroup? Or simply extrapolating? Another
time, F1 2000 has a neutral opinion in this NG.  I'll speculate that there
is as much people who love it than people who don't love it.  Im
extrapolating also, but I wrote "speculate" and I do not type this as a fact
like you do.

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

So you have to turn off most of the detail for a good framerate.  Out of
curiousity, what's the minimum and recommended system for the game?  I haven't
seen it yet.

GPL takes a lot of laps and time to master, too...

If you don't have any setup skill<raises hand> then you're screwed, unless
you're lucky and someone realizes your plight and gives you a setup.  But then,
one person's GREAT setup might just have you doing donuts down the main
straight...

Given that the stores that DO have return policies only give you about 10 days,
you really need to make your decision quickly.  Unless you have 5+ hours each
day to poke, prod, test, and tweak, you have to go on a gut reaction comparing
it to programs you're familiar with, right?  Software costs too much to buy
CRAP(generic) that just ends up sitting on your shelf.

Eldred
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Your post is so typical of GPL fans. Nice condescending tone with some
subtle insults thrown in for good measure.

Anyone who doesn't agree GPL is the only worthwhile sim doesn't have the
same standards as yourself?

Bullsh*t.

Your standards are actually far below mine (and maybe many others here).
GPL, F1 2000, RC2000, GP500, etc., are so far away from delivering a
REALISTIC simulation that for me to argue about their physics models often
comes down to nothing more than hairsplitting. I enjoy them a lot, but to
think that I'm doing anything within a million miles of real life racing is
delusional, regardless of which sim is running. I don't feel like I'm in a
real car when I race GPL. I feel like I'm performing a hand/eye coordination
exercise, with an auto racing theme, on my computer monitor. I'm guiding
cartoon cars over a cartoon track whether it's in GPL or POD.

Maybe in five years there will be software and hardware which I can buy for
my home which guys like Schumacher will actually be training with. For now,
they are all just games, and it's easy to enjoy a number of them.

If the GAME GPL is so superior in your mind that you can't appreciate how
excellent the GAME F1 2000 is, then you are the one with the "Coor's Lite"
taste, and your "standards" are far below mine.

Our vastly different standards are the reason you can't understand why
people like me don't feel moved to compose poetry about the GPL experience.
They are all just GAMES.

David G Fisher

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You've got a good point there David, no single racing sim on the pc is
as realistic as the real thing. And I don't think we can expect a sim
that's just like real life racing in the coming couple of years. The
biggest thing we're missing ofcourse is the sense of movement.
Maybe that motionware device, which was discussed a few weeks ago, can
be a big way into the right direction.

Fear for your life is another thing hard to simulate, I know I
wouldn't dare driving full speed through the chicane at Monaco in real
life, I think walking through the chicane is dangerous enough for me!

But (yes, there's allways a but when you post :) I think most people
here do realize this, and they just prefer the sim that comes closest
to real life racing. Or how we think real life racing would be like.

GPL (brrr, that word again) is the only sim/game that gives me that
feeling. No other sim/game does. Years ago, when GP1 was released, I
thought that game was as close to real life racing as possible. I
stuck to that opinion untill GPL came along. Now I think GPL comes
closest to real life racing, choosing from all the sims that are on
the market today. Maybe a new sim will come out that will put GPL on
the shelves, I sure hope so, I would be crazy if I didn't hope for a
GPL beater.

But untill no single sim/game comes even close to GPL, I will stick to
GPL untill something better will come out. GP3 perhaps? Who knows.
I don't have my hopes to high for this one, since I prefer F1 from the
60's over current F1 racing. But we'll see...

Quite surprised that you mention RC2000 as one of the sims/games
that's so far away from delivering a realistic driving experience by
the way :)

Andre

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Eldred
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% Your post is so typical of GPL fans. Nice condescending tone with some
% subtle insults thrown in for good measure.

I am a GPL fan because it delivers what I am looking for in a racing
simulation.  Before that I was a GP2 fan, a ICRII fan, NASCAR2 fan, and
a GP1 fan, and a Grand Prix Circuit fan, and an Indianapolis 500 the
Simulation fan....  Because those simulations (at their time) delivered
what I was looking for in a simulation.  As time has progressed so has
my demands on a racing simulation.

% Anyone who doesn't agree GPL is the only worthwhile sim doesn't have the
% same standards as yourself?

As I said, I have no intent to***on someone's parade, just because
their tastes are not like mine.  What I don't understand is that some
folks just can't take it as a fact that F12K didn't (couldn't) e***
me.  As I said, I don't need a new toy, just becuase it's a new toy.  It
had better be a toy that can deliver what I want in a toy or else I
won't waste my time on it.

% Bullsh*t.

% Your standards are actually far below mine (and maybe many others here).
% GPL, F1 2000, RC2000, GP500, etc., are so far away from delivering a
% REALISTIC simulation that for me to argue about their physics models often
% comes down to nothing more than hairsplitting. I enjoy them a lot, but to
% think that I'm doing anything within a million miles of real life racing is
% delusional, regardless of which sim is running. I don't feel like I'm in a
% real car when I race GPL. I feel like I'm performing a hand/eye coordination
% exercise, with an auto racing theme, on my computer monitor. I'm guiding
% cartoon cars over a cartoon track whether it's in GPL or POD.

Fine, you don't like GPL..... but I think we all knew that some time
ago.  <G>

% Maybe in five years there will be software and hardware which I can buy for
% my home which guys like Schumacher will actually be training with. For now,
% they are all just games, and it's easy to enjoy a number of them.

% If the GAME GPL is so superior in your mind that you can't appreciate how
% excellent the GAME F1 2000 is, then you are the one with the "Coor's Lite"
% taste, and your "standards" are far below mine.

I guess  we will have to disagree here..... Basically the poor
programming and optimization and incompleteness of F12k is what
prevented me from appreciating the "excellence" of this product.

% Our vastly different standards are the reason you can't understand why
% people like me don't feel moved to compose poetry about the GPL experience.
% They are all just GAMES.

I could care less what you think of GPL...  We've had a few discussions
about it here in the past on r.a.s. and unless you say something totally
counter to my experience with GPL, you don't find me falling for your
trolls.  You are entitled to your opinions of GPL and as long as they
are just opinions, I could care less whether you enjoy it or not....
That's for you to decide, not me....

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In case anyone's forgotten, GPL ran like ***on most everyone's cpu when it
was released (F12000 runs fine on my 466 TNT2 Ultra right now) due to it's
graphics engine, had no ff (and we were told by Papyrus employees that ff
was garbage), and it was designed for LAN play. It took a lot of effort by
fans of the sim to improve it's TCP/IP play.

Trolls? Am I a troll because I disagree on some issues with just some of the
handful of people left on this planet who still play GPL, and frequent this
newsgroup?

David G Fisher

David G Fisher