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I had a look at the F1 & GTR files after posting that and the wear rate has
been reduced for the GTR's as well, particularly for the medium and hard
compounds. Doug appears to have used lower frictional heat numbers to keep
tire scrub from cooking the ***, along with higher rolling heat values to
get the needed operating temps for grip. Interesting to see how much more
degradation ISI had built into the fronts vs. the rears for the F1's. Push
and get... PUSH.
The different tire compounds would be a critical item for CART mod
developers to exploit, with different tire sets for ovals, superspeedways
and road courses. Kind of like in the real world... ;-)
SB
> > Howdy Dave. Didn't even know it existed, so no. But thanks for the
link;
> > hope they get further than we did with the Heat version! ;-) But you
(and
> > the mod makers) might look at the mod's .tbc files, and compare the
> rolling
> > and frictional heat values they're using. SBDT dropped them
significantly
> > for the GTR mod, and I'd guess ovals would eat tires in a hurry - esp.
the
> > right fronts. They sure get toasty in GPL, though wear's not an issue
> > there. My oval setups usually end up with softer springs on the right
> front
> > and left rear to try to keep the right front as cool as possible.
> > Good luck!
> Thankyou for that info. I just swapped out the CART mod #'s for
> friction heat with the GTR setting. That tripled the tire life. In fact
> the tire probably would have lasted longer, if heat was the only factor.
I
> kept a steady test pace until the tire WEAR became a factor. That was
with
> a default setup, probably with some real testing we could easily get
close
> to 50 laps if the driver didn't push too hard...
> I fired off an email to the league bosses. Hopefully we can make a
> change...as it is....10 laps on a short oval and your race is just about
> done.
> Thanks again Steve...How many times have I said that over the past
couple
> of years? :)
> dave henrie
> > SB
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> > It would have been nice to see a bit more variety of features such as
> spins,
> > collisions, short tracks, road coarses, etc.
> What do you mean with more variety of spins?
Ok :-)
John
> -Tim
> > > It would have been nice to see a bit more variety of features such as
> > spins,
> > > collisions, short tracks, road coarses, etc.
> > What do you mean with more variety of spins?
Jason
I can put two cable drivers on a T1 and the cars still flip at Martinsville.
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> Bandwidth has nothing to do with the POS we have now (Damage Model).
> Flipping cars, still able to race, screwed up drafting, damaged cars going
> too fast etc... Bandwidth isn't the problem.
Oh the old debate ;) I say it is. That's why you could theorically have
a perfect prediction code if you had all the bandwidth available in the
world. That would mean, having _no_ prediction code. It's because of the
prediction code (a direct resultant of the lack of bandwidth) that numbers
get crunched by overlapping masses.
I can put two cable drivers on a T1 and the cars still flip at Martinsville.
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> Bandwidth has nothing to do with the POS we have now (Damage Model).
> Flipping cars, still able to race, screwed up drafting, damaged cars
going
> too fast etc... Bandwidth isn't the problem.
Oh the old debate ;) I say it is. That's why you could theorically
have
a perfect prediction code if you had all the bandwidth available in the
world. That would mean, having _no_ prediction code. It's because of the
prediction code (a direct resultant of the lack of bandwidth) that numbers
get crunched by overlapping masses.
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> >I stopped by Papy.com and they have a new video with in game
shots...looks
> >pretty nice!
> Looks great. Love the shot of the cars cresting the bump in the
> tunnel turn about midway through the clip. Having an even more
> accurate rendition of Pocono than the one we have now justifies most
> of the $50 I'll be plopping down the day it comes out.
> Jason
David G Fisher
I'll assume this will be the start of the "I'm not paying $50 for a patch"
thread that we had when NR2002 came out and we all bought and liked.
I will be buying it the first day out as well. The $50 cost will be more
than worth the value I will get from it in the many years ahead. If all it
has are improved track models I would buy it as well.
> > On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:44:56 -0500, "Jeff Leonard"
> > >I stopped by Papy.com and they have a new video with in game
> shots...looks
> > >pretty nice!
> > Looks great. Love the shot of the cars cresting the bump in the
> > tunnel turn about midway through the clip. Having an even more
> > accurate rendition of Pocono than the one we have now justifies most
> > of the $50 I'll be plopping down the day it comes out.
> > Jason
> You're kidding, right?
> David G Fisher
$50 for a game I'll spend at least 100 hours playing is a good deal
IMHO.
Pocono being my home track and favorite oval (well, actually Nazareth
and the old Reading Fairgrounds that got torn down in 1980 are
technically my home tracks) I would happily pay a large sum of money
for any improvements to the already highly accurate Papyrus model of
it. My singular complaint with any Papyrus track model has been a
lack of the mid-range sized bumps such as the tunnel at Pocono.. The
length/width and major elevation changes have been pretty good since
GPL, and while I certainly wouldn't want the overexaggerated polygon
death traps that ISI has modelled into Priory at Silverstone among
other tracks, I am looking forward to having the more subtle and
track-character defining bumps modelled in more detail. I want to go
through turn 2 at Pocono and literally ***my pants as the car crests
the tunnel. I'm actually partway done with construction of my
homemade sim commode in anticipation of N2003, just need to finish
adding the Penske Ford livery to the bowl (*cough*).
BTW, I have the utmost respect for David, but I have to question the
opinion of anyone who thought Cart Precision Racing was a good buy.
=)
Jason
Jason
I predict alot of wothers will make the switch too... once the Papy-server
are gone from NR2002.... And with servers gone - drivers will go too...
Could you [critical] guys imagine going back to N4 now?
Thats the samer story with N2003... once you see it's improvements - I'll
bet ya a buck you wouldnt return to NR2002 for 5 minutes....
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$10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC.
> > $50 for a game I'll spend at least 100 hours playing is a good deal
> > IMHO.
> Agreed!
> I predict alot of wothers will make the switch too... once the Papy-server
> are gone from NR2002.... And with servers gone - drivers will go too...
> Could you [critical] guys imagine going back to N4 now?
> Thats the samer story with N2003... once you see it's improvements - I'll
> bet ya a buck you wouldnt return to NR2002 for 5 minutes....
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