rec.autos.simulators

by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 16:01:54

> > The damage model now is worse than it was in the past; when there was
> less
> > bandwidth. It's all about it's GPL heritage, in the current sims.

> Well, previous titles had less "hard" calculations to do for it's
prediction
> code. I mean, you didn't need to handle the whole Z-axis.

Yeah, I know. I just have a very hard time accepting that(bandwidth) as a
reason. Cars shouldn't go faster when they're damaged, don't know how
that's tied into bandwidth.
Same with the Saturn rocket acts; hard time believing that is to hard to
fix, and is related to bandwidth.

Bumping, etc. is part of stock car racing, or at least it used to be. But
in terms of contact, you have to race these sims like they're open wheel
cars.
That's a major flaw.

John

by **Uwe hoover Schuerkam** » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 18:12:52

> That's true, but that's part of the "problem"; it's the only choice we
> have. I'm a big believer in choices <g>

Obviously, judging by this header found in your post:

at least you're virus compatible with 90% of the others. Good
choice! ;-)

On topic: I think one of the big "advantages" of the n2kx
series is its decent online play (the best we have in any
racing sim at the moment, if it wasn't for the sierra lock-in
and a decent VROC clone with more filtering options).

If Papy decides to make n2k3 more "moddable" than the earlier
releases, we might have an interesting product.

Cheers,

uwe

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by **David G Fishe** » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 18:30:58

> > More importantly, will the weather changes affect car
> handling/performance

> Papy said yes, that's the whole point of it :)

So they are going to have weather (sort of---the easy kind to simulate---no
rain) in one of their sims now?

Done years ago in other sims.

David G Fisher

by **Remco Moe** » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 18:32:15

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 01:33:15 -0500, "ymenard"

>> Bandwidth has nothing to do with the POS we have now (Damage Model).
>> Flipping cars, still able to race, screwed up drafting, damaged cars going
>> too fast etc... Bandwidth isn't the problem.

>Oh the old debate ;) I say it is. That's why you could theorically have
>a perfect prediction code if you had all the bandwidth available in the
>world. That would mean, having _no_ prediction code. It's because of the
>prediction code (a direct resultant of the lack of bandwidth) that numbers
>get crunched by overlapping masses.

So, you're saying there are no problems with more bandwidth? Hmm, that
means I could send the data via a box of DVDs....an hell of a
bandwidth! <g>

It's not the bandwidth, it's the latency.

Remco

by **Ed Solhei** » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 19:12:22

"David G Fisher" said:

So was good multiplayer code that actually worked Dave! :-)

I still remember racing N1 against 20 others - online - in 1996!
(eat that EA et al.!)

:-)

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by **Carl Ribbegaard** » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:40:44

> > > More importantly, will the weather changes affect car
> > handling/performance

> > Papy said yes, that's the whole point of it :)

> So they are going to have weather (sort of---the easy kind to
simulate---no
> rain) in one of their sims now?

> Done years ago in other sims.

> David G Fisher

by **Carl Ribbegaard** » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:41:25

Does Winston cup race in the rain?

by **Carl Ribbegaard** » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:42:18

Default send sortcut seems to be close to CTRL-V
:-)

by **Carl Ribbegaard** » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:48:48

What do you mean with more variety of spins?

by **David G Fishe** » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 21:04:54

I was trying to annoy ymenard. :-)

David G Fisher

by **John Simmon** » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 21:19:26

> > So they are going to have weather (sort of---the easy kind to
> simulate---no
> > rain) in one of their sims now?

> Does Winston cup race in the rain?

They have rain tires and accomodations for windshield wipers when
racing at the Glen...

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 23:44:12

From the way I've read the various interviews, there will be no 'opening
up' of Nr 2k3 tfe. They bascially inferred that the rank and file from the
GPL world already had a pretty good handle on modding would transfer that
over. I'm not sure we will see dozens of mods based on the last Papyrus
Nascar release.
There may be some efforts in that area, but the wholesale modding that
F1 2k2 is seeing, doesn't strike me as possible with TFE. I would love to
be proven wrong tho...
dave henrie

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by **John Pancoas** » Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:15:19

Why thank you. Never had a virus related problem in 15 years :)

John

> > That's true, but that's part of the "problem"; it's the only choice we
> > have. I'm a big believer in choices <g>

> Obviously, judging by this header found in your post:

> > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000

> at least you're virus compatible with 90% of the others. Good
> choice! ;-)

> On topic: I think one of the big "advantages" of the n2kx
> series is its decent online play (the best we have in any
> racing sim at the moment, if it wasn't for the sierra lock-in
> and a decent VROC clone with more filtering options).

> If Papy decides to make n2k3 more "moddable" than the earlier
> releases, we might have an interesting product.

> Cheers,

> uwe

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> mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox)
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by **TDRacin** » Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:23:22

You didn't race them online. But I understand what you mean. Funny how we
have actually gone backwards since the inception of Hawai. Unfortunate. :(

by **TDRacin** » Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:25:39

Supposedly, N4 and N2k2 are just as modifyable as GPL, so I see no reason
why N2k3 shouldn't be. It's just up to the community that knows how to do
it, to do it. :)

> > That's true, but that's part of the "problem"; it's the only choice we
> > have. I'm a big believer in choices <g>

> Obviously, judging by this header found in your post:

> > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000

> at least you're virus compatible with 90% of the others. Good
> choice! ;-)

> On topic: I think one of the big "advantages" of the n2kx
> series is its decent online play (the best we have in any
> racing sim at the moment, if it wasn't for the sierra lock-in
> and a decent VROC clone with more filtering options).

> If Papy decides to make n2k3 more "moddable" than the earlier
> releases, we might have an interesting product.

> Cheers,

> uwe

> --
> mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox)
> Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/
> Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E)
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