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I better not say more

tough break Frederickson...I was right behind you and managed to squeeze by on
the outside.  I then caused the second yellow when, running by myself, not
pressing and being EXTRA careful, the car got away from me in turn three and I
spun by myself.

Just kept pitting under yellows and then stayed out and was in second behind
Brian for the better part of the long yellow flag run.  When we went green
around lap 40 or so, my tires were shot and I made my way back to ninth.
Pitted and on the next long run, finally had to let Jan and Kkrent (?) after
battling and then had a handful with Grubbat at the end.  We got together with
1.5 to go...but a lot of fun.  

Thanks all.

Mike

PS...I dont type very well while driving and leave it to a minimum...but it is
EXTRA annoying to try to concentrate and see a line blip across the screen and
see the same message over and over.  Trust me, Ed.  We are being EXTRA careful.
 Really.  EXTRA - EXTRA careful.  And sometimes it doesnt help.  Sometimes we
just make a little mistake, like clipping the apron, and spinning.  It just
happens.

Mike  :))

The 15 got wall-glued but in the act of freeing himself, he turned
down in front of me as I was passing him, and I spun him around.  I
braked hard to keep from hitting him again, and came to an almost
complete stop in the process.  I had just started getting going again
when the 00 car butt-***ed me into the outside wall, and then the 19
car came barreling through the smoke, t-boned me,  and tumbled me
down the track.  That was the end of my engine and my race.

At the time I was running 8th and maintaining touch with the lead
cars.  I had also managed to avoid a number of earlier accidents by
SLOWING THE *** DOWN when I saw smoke.

Needless to say, I'm pissed about being pile-driven (in how many
racces has this happened to me this season? Three? Four?) because
somone was paying more attention to their ***ing mirrors than their
windshields.

Eldred
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Well, in general, its just my opinion that sometimes people are too quick to
slow down when someone spins in front of them. Its kind of controversial I
guess, but i think that some accidents can be avoided without necessarilly
slamming on the brakes. I think I read it somewhere. In this case I think if
dave let off the gas a little and stayed low he wouldnt have hit anything
and not lost control. Thats what I generally do in pickup races since they
are so chaotic. Now, if there is a huge wreck in front of you then yes
obviously you gotta slow down. What I think though is when a car spins by
itself, its always gonna slide outside, so there is a while where you can go
under him without just slamming the brakes. Especially on such a slick
track, where slowing suddenly tends to unsettle the car and make things
worse.

I didn't slam on the brakes.
Brian (who's entitled to a rare mistake) got loose and suddenly slowed about
17mph in front of me on lap 2 when I'm guessing everyone's tires were still
cold. He didn't drift way up the track though so there wasn't room to just
keep plowing on by the inside without risking a wreck. I lifted, and applied
very little (if any brake) initially. I had to go low because he was moving
up a bit as he was correcting. The rear end came out and when I hit the
apron I had to apply the brakes (otherwise I might have gone up the track
and wiped out the field) and actually ended up saving the car right before
you hit me. There is a replay here http://mywebpages.comcast.net/davegf/ and
you can see what I did. When I looked at your view, you seemed to just get
sucked right into me when the right side was wide open.

David G Fisher

Forcing smoke on is not an option in nr2k3 (as far as i know).

That's right. We were having a great time battling each other during the
previous laps, but then we clearly saw you sitting still there at the exit
of T2 and decide we'd rather crash into you instead.

David G Fisher

Hehehe... nice bit of sarcasm Dave. Doubt it will go down well with our
injured Mr. Simmons, tough.

FWIW, from my replay it appears neither you nor Mark had a chance in hell to
avoid that one (Grub tried, but was doomed). From my view it didn't appear
that a secondary incident (i.e one not involving the car stopped on the
apron) had taken place until John appeared tumbling down the back straight.
Fortunately I was far enough back to respond and avoid.

To be honest my recollection of the incident was flawed... my awareness was
triggered by the smoke from the Simmons/Farmer incident, but I didn't make
the cause/effect link with John tumbling down the back straight and the trio
ahead of me at the time. Hence he seemed to appear out of nowhere to me.

Like I said, fortunately I was in a position to slow and allow myself time
to (sort of, as I didn't draw the right conclusion) analyse the situation
and avoid further contact. Luckily, despite acting on flawed observation, I
did the right thing and kept myself out of trouble.

Jan.
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I merely described the incidents of contact as they happened.

That's a crock because the 28 car managed it well enough. Mark is the
one I'm the most pissed at. He didn't lift at all, despite being able
to see clearly that there was a problem ahead.  The only reason Dave
hit me was because Mark sent me into the outside wall.  If he and
grub had lifted when they saw the smoke, the chances were pretty good
that they would have made it through okay.  If all of you had slowed,
I would probably have still finished the race (several spots down,
but no more than one lap down).

Mark wasn't blinking in/out, and neither was I, so "I didn't see the
big cloud of white smoke" is pretty much a crock of shit.

I appeared out of nowhere for you because Dave hit me hard enough to
send me pretty high up into the air, and while your connection has
improved greatly, I think your system updates a little late.  In any
event you were lucky enough to escape the whole thing without a
scratch.

I've said my piece, and I'm done with it, but everyone better damn
well pay attention to my "IMPORTANT - READ THIS" post.

Therefore this court finds for the plaintiff.

Court adjourned!

Bruce.

Damn you're right... now i see what happened, when you hit the apron you
started to spin, and I thought you would slide up the track, so I went low.
Then by the time you saved it I was already heading your way.  I dont think
I ever had the chance to notice the car in front of you saved it.

Watching it again though, it was this little braking that got you spinning..
I still think you could have just coasted through there.  Thats why i never
left foot brake.

Pure poetry...