LOL ;o)
Elrikk
LOL ;o)
Elrikk
Brian Oster
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:14:26 -0400, "David G Fisher"
>> > >Well, someone spun in front of Dave on lap 1 or 2 so dave just slows
>down
>> > >and gets loose and i have nowhere to go and bamm. :-(
>> > >I better not say more
>> > Out of curiousity, what should David have done? Plowed into the car
>that
>> got
>> > loose? Not a flame, just wondering what you think...
>> Well, in general, its just my opinion that sometimes people are too quick
>to
>> slow down when someone spins in front of them. Its kind of controversial I
>> guess, but i think that some accidents can be avoided without necessarilly
>> slamming on the brakes. I think I read it somewhere. In this case I think
>if
>> dave let off the gas a little and stayed low he wouldnt have hit anything
>> and not lost control. Thats what I generally do in pickup races since they
>> are so chaotic. Now, if there is a huge wreck in front of you then yes
>> obviously you gotta slow down. What I think though is when a car spins by
>> itself, its always gonna slide outside, so there is a while where you can
>go
>> under him without just slamming the brakes. Especially on such a slick
>> track, where slowing suddenly tends to unsettle the car and make things
>> worse.
>I didn't slam on the brakes.
>Brian (who's entitled to a rare mistake) got loose and suddenly slowed about
>17mph in front of me on lap 2 when I'm guessing everyone's tires were still
>cold. He didn't drift way up the track though so there wasn't room to just
>keep plowing on by the inside without risking a wreck. I lifted, and applied
>very little (if any brake) initially. I had to go low because he was moving
>up a bit as he was correcting. The rear end came out and when I hit the
>apron I had to apply the brakes (otherwise I might have gone up the track
>and wiped out the field) and actually ended up saving the car right before
>you hit me. There is a replay here http://mywebpages.comcast.net/davegf/ and
>you can see what I did. When I looked at your view, you seemed to just get
>sucked right into me when the right side was wide open.
>David G Fisher
I'm not blaming you at all. It was just one of those things as far as I'm
concerned too, but it seems like frederickson and now you are both blaming
me. If you use the black Dodge sign as a reference point as you enter that
turn, most of us are in the low 170's while you were suddenly at 150. You
came back at me REAL quick. A 20 mph difference IS a dramatic slowdown. Even
if it's 15mph, that's still huge. Look how close you are to Ed as you enter
the turn, and then how far ahead he is as you come on the straight. You
ended up in the 140's, while we would normally be in the 160's in the middle
of that turn. First you started towards the apron, and then you went back up
and got control. It was impossible for me to judge in a fraction of a second
which way on the track you were ultimately headed, or whether you were even
going to get it together at all. I had to slow, and suddenly slowing that
much on cold tires (beginning of lap 2), at that point of the turn, caused
my back end to come around. If I could of gotten back on the gas when I
normally would have, everything would of been fine with my car, but I
couldn't do that while you were wiggling in front of me. I did actually get
my car under control though right before I was hit.
Last week I thought you were superb at Daytona and I was hoping to draft
with you all the way until the end of that race, so don't think I'm a critic
of your drivng. Just the opposite. I didn't give a damn about this until it
was brought up here at ras.
David G Fisher
David G Fisher
> Therefore this court finds for the plaintiff.
> Court adjourned!
> Bruce.
> > I didn't slam on the brakes. ..................etc.
At that stage of a stint I can't coast the car and stay in control, period.
I have to brake against neutral throttle to stay in control. That's the
whole problem with this setup stuff, it's rig/driver dependant.
Jan.
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>> At the time I was running 8th and maintaining touch with the lead
>> cars. I had also managed to avoid a number of earlier accidents by
>> SLOWING THE *** DOWN when I saw smoke.
>Pure poetry...
Eldred
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That being said, I never was comfortable with the car. When I got on
yesterday, all of my normal settings were messed up. During one of the pit
stops i found a box checked on the options menu that I never use. I had a
fast car but I couldn't pass and then hold the line. Me and 19 did a couple
of passes and repasses because of my looseness.
I knew that jan was behind me and didn't want to just turn left so I kept my
line and hit the wall. I got off the throttle when the smoke started and
then on the brakes.
I thought that John was doing great racing injured.
later.
grub
> > Hehehe... nice bit of sarcasm Dave. Doubt it will go down well with our
> > injured Mr. Simmons, tough.
> I merely described the incidents of contact as they happened.
> > FWIW, from my replay it appears neither you nor Mark had a chance in
hell to
> > avoid that one (Grub tried, but was doomed).
> That's a crock because the 28 car managed it well enough. Mark is the
> one I'm the most pissed at. He didn't lift at all, despite being able
> to see clearly that there was a problem ahead. The only reason Dave
> hit me was because Mark sent me into the outside wall. If he and
> grub had lifted when they saw the smoke, the chances were pretty good
> that they would have made it through okay. If all of you had slowed,
> I would probably have still finished the race (several spots down,
> but no more than one lap down).
> Mark wasn't blinking in/out, and neither was I, so "I didn't see the
> big cloud of white smoke" is pretty much a crock of shit.
> > To be honest my recollection of the incident was flawed... my awareness
was
> > triggered by the smoke from the Simmons/Farmer incident, but I didn't
make
> > the cause/effect link with John tumbling down the back straight and the
trio
> > ahead of me at the time. Hence he seemed to appear out of nowhere to me.
> I appeared out of nowhere for you because Dave hit me hard enough to
> send me pretty high up into the air, and while your connection has
> improved greatly, I think your system updates a little late. In any
> event you were lucky enough to escape the whole thing without a
> scratch.
> I've said my piece, and I'm done with it, but everyone better damn
> well pay attention to my "IMPORTANT - READ THIS" post.
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