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F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

Some Call Me Ti

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by Some Call Me Ti » Tue, 08 May 2001 09:35:09

I happened to walk into Electronics Boutique on Saturday with money in my
pocket and found that F1 Racing Championship was not only reduced to 19.99
but for loyalty card holders it was down to a mere 13.49. I've been sorely
disappointed with F1 2000 and especially GP3 have been felt desperately in
need of a modern F1 sim so I thought I'd give it a go as I wouldn't loose
out much if it failed to deliver.

Much to my surprise and delight it is by far the best modern F1 sum to date
and is simply a hoot to drive. It's not GPL but is the closest any modern
sim has come to it. As all us GPLers know it all comes down to how the sim
"feels" to drive and F1RC although not quite to GPL standards dumps on all
the other modern F1 Sims from a great height.

GP3 just didn't feel right at all, there was something seriously wrong with
the steering and the traction was appalling. Unlike GP3 in F1RC you can
actually control the car properly and slide it around to your hearts
content. The car slides in a progressive fashion and it all seems smooth and
flowing and you can catch and correct slides rather than simply spinning off
with no warning a la GP3.

The traction modelling is superb as although you can spin the wheels in the
first four gears (as an F1 car can) the resulting slip at the rear is very
catchable. Again with the brakes they are beautifully progressive and
controllable and don't suddenly snatch sending you hurtling off the road.
Lock the brakes and you can feel it though the FF and when you start to
understeer it goes light. Steering is normally heavy and weights up in
corners but follow another car closely and as you get a tow the wheel goes
disconcertingly light.

Graphics wise it really is very impressive is bay far the best looking F1
Sim to date. the most important thing though is that the circuits are
modelled to a degree that no other racing sim has ever reached. The cambers
are as they should be (unlike GP3!) and the curbs are modelled as they are
in real life at each track. The circuits really do look like they do on the
TV. The cubes deserve special mention because not only do they look right
but they feel right when you go over them. Some you can ride and others not
and they give a realistic kick though the FF and the are the only curbs I've
seen modelled properly in and race sim.

You can have changeable weather as in GP3 and not only does it look better
it doesn't slow the system down like GP3. The transition from dry to wet is
again very progressive. Yesterday when I had a race at Monaco where it
stated off dry and slowly got wetter but I managed to stay out for several
laps on slicks quite happily sliding the car around until I really had to
pit for wets.

It runs well on both my PIII 765 with GeForce DDR and my old K6-2 417 with
Voodoo2 SLI. On my GeForce system I run it at 1280x1024 bit (it can run in
32bit) but I've had to turn car detail down to 50% as it's slow with 22 cars
on the grid, which isn't a problem as even at 50% detail the cars look
better than in most Sims.

Downside wise the sound is not that great and the menu system is not
brilliant but it's not bad. It wouldn't install on Windows 2000 but it would
run straight from disk. I installed it on a Win98 machine and copied it
across and it now runs perfectly on Win2K. I've only been racing for a
couple of days so it remains to be seen how good the AI is but so far it
beats GP3. I've been rammed up the backside a couple of time but that's
because I'm more used to GPL braking distances. Apart from that most
accidents have been my own stupid fault.

There are lots of really nice touches such as the way you see your fingers
flick the gear paddles, your tyres leave indentations in the gravel traps,
you drive off from inside your garage and there are even proper stop and go
penalties.

I've been looking for a decent F1 sim for so long and now I think I've found
it and I heartedly recommend it to anyone else who loves driving. It's still
not quite a new GPL but it really is a complete hoot.

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David Butte

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by David Butte » Tue, 08 May 2001 10:09:02


<snip>
<snip>

Can you have it dry on one side of the circuit and wet on the other, as
with GP3?

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Kasper Kowalsk

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by Kasper Kowalsk » Tue, 08 May 2001 11:50:28



there's a reason why it's difficult to slide an F1 car in GP3... becasue F1
cars are difficult to slide in reality.... think back to when grooved-tyres
were introduced... the drivers and cars were very nervous and very
twitchy.... i like GP3 as is... i don't want another ridge-racer clone

KK

Nos v7.000000

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by Nos v7.000000 » Tue, 08 May 2001 15:00:12

On Mon, 7 May 2001 01:35:09 +0100, "Some Call Me Tim"


>I've been looking for a decent F1 sim for so long and now I think I've found
>it and I heartedly recommend it to anyone else who loves driving. It's still
>not quite a new GPL but it really is a complete hoot.

You neglected to mention anything about the appalling AI.
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Iain Mackenzi

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by Iain Mackenzi » Tue, 08 May 2001 16:53:14

Yep, fix the AI in the new patch, and we could have close to perfection in a
modern F1 sim.  Incidentally, the AI (as Ubi said) seems to 'learn' as it
goes on.  I have had gradually less hassle with the AI as the last few
months have gone on.  Now, unless I do something stupid like brake way too
hard into corners or swerve across the racing line then I can complete races
OK!
Iain



istof

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by istof » Tue, 08 May 2001 17:19:05

On Mon, 7 May 2001 08:53:14 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

Without meaning to start a GP3 vs F1RC debate, all I can say is that
I've been playing F1GP, GP2 and GP3 for as long as I can remember
(started on the AMIGA with F1GP).

GPL has been the sim of choice for the last 2 years, but the Geoff
Crammond games have been the best for me.  Out of the box, I've been
disappointed with each release, but the addition of user-patches /
addons have made the GP2 and GP3 good enough to keep me playing them
long after their release.  I have also tried the Ubisoft F1 Games and
have always gone back to the Crammond games.

And then along came F1RC.  The standard game is already good enough to
make me wonder when I'm ever going back to GP3.  The AI problems seem
less intrusive the longer I've played with the game and I simply enjoy
the racing experience more.  I agree with all the original poster's
comments, but I would like to add that hotlapping against Ghostlaps
are a blast.  I've learned so much about a track like monza by
watching other drivers that I've improved my PB tremendously.  I know
it is arcade-y to some, but I would so much like to race ghosts on
GPL!  My mind boggles at the possibilities.

I am enjoying the animated pit-stops and the tiny details like the
Williams BMW ahead of me getting balked by a Maclaren in the wet and
then applying too much throttle and wheelspinning in the wet and
losing traction and then having to go from attacking the Maclaren to
defending against me.

To summarize.  *I* like it.  Hope more of you check it out.

Regards,
Ian

istof

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by istof » Tue, 08 May 2001 18:42:14


>Williams BMW ahead of me getting balked by a Maclaren in the wet and
>then applying too much throttle and wheelspinning in the wet and
>losing traction and then having to go from attacking the Maclaren to
>defending against me.

to clarify that point, the AI battles which go on around you seem to
be more realistic than in GP3, at least that is my first impression.
I also noticed a time when the 2 Maclarens were scrapping at
Interlagos and Coulthard was bottoming (with sparks) and Mika wasn't.
Mika was lapping consistently faster than DC, having qualified behind
him.  My guess was that the AI setups for the 2 Maclarens were
different.  Just my guess, of course.  

I have downloaded a physics patch which apparently has tons of fixes
to the physics model, but am wary of importing it and voiding my
hotlapping, which is based on the default.

Has anyone used the physics patch and have comments on it?  Is it
acceptable to hotlap using the physics patch?

I downloaded it from http://txl.free.fr/F1RC

Regards,
Ian

Douglas Elliso

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by Douglas Elliso » Tue, 08 May 2001 21:06:20

What the HELL has ridge-racer got to do with F1RC?

Doug




> > GP3 just didn't feel right at all, there was something seriously wrong
> with
> > the steering and the traction was appalling. Unlike GP3 in F1RC you can
> > actually control the car properly and slide it around to your hearts
> > content. The car slides in a progressive fashion and it all seems smooth
> and
> > flowing and you can catch and correct slides rather than simply spinning
> off
> > with no warning a la GP3.

> there's a reason why it's difficult to slide an F1 car in GP3... becasue
F1
> cars are difficult to slide in reality.... think back to when
grooved-tyres
> were introduced... the drivers and cars were very nervous and very
> twitchy.... i like GP3 as is... i don't want another ridge-racer clone

> KK

Kasper Kowalsk

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by Kasper Kowalsk » Tue, 08 May 2001 21:21:53


what's the point of driving an F1 sim if all you want to do is power slide
thru every corner?

KK

ymenar

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by ymenar » Tue, 08 May 2001 23:10:24


Yes, it learns new ways to punt and wreck you ;-)

F1RC, perfection if it had AI fix?  You must surely be an offliner racer.
It doesn't have a serious multiplayer client/server application, nor
community tools.

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Ian

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by Ian » Wed, 09 May 2001 01:51:34

You can't powerslide through the corners, you can however realistically
catch a slide and even set up a slight drift through the corners.

So the question still stands...
What the HELL has ridge-racer got to do with F1RC?
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> > What the HELL has ridge-racer got to do with F1RC?

> what's the point of driving an F1 sim if all you want to do is power slide
> thru every corner?

> KK

Some Call Me Ti

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by Some Call Me Ti » Wed, 09 May 2001 02:48:26

Yes you certainly can. The weather changes and is even better than in GP3.
The important thing though is that it is very drivable and very much fun in
the wet.

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Some Call Me Ti

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by Some Call Me Ti » Wed, 09 May 2001 02:51:23

Modern F1 cars have over 800Bhp and can spin the wheel in a straight line in
the dry in 4th gear! You cannot put your foot flat on the boards and just go
(well not without traction control!) F1RC reflects this very well but it's
not undriveable at all.

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Jon Mansfiel

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by Jon Mansfiel » Wed, 09 May 2001 04:46:43


Well, I took you at your word and bought it this afternoon. Hmmmm, it's
almost there. Graphically excellent and fast, car handling is nice and you
can catch most spins and steering is spot on (I never could get the steering
to feel right in GP3)

BUT it does have some major flaws:

AI is atrocious - I even had a guy drive into me whilst over taking on the
Monza pit straight! It is impossible to "race" the computer cars.
The neutral -> 1st "clutch" is naff. In auto mode, you need loads of revs to
get started - makes it very difficult to get off the grass - in manual mode
it stalls so easilly in 1st gear corners.
Sound is pretty poor
I could be being stupid, but there doesn't seem to be any way of saving car
setups.
They went to all the trouble of implementing moving fingers on gear shifts,
but no revs lighst in the***pit.
I've had it crash 4 times this evening.

A shame really. If the patch (which is apparently iminent) fixes most of the
above, it will be a very good game. Until then, I think it's back to GPL.

Cheers,

Jon.

Kasper Kowalsk

F1 Racing Championship is actually rather good!

by Kasper Kowalsk » Wed, 09 May 2001 08:17:36



nor is gp3... it just takes practise... as would driving the real thing...
F1s are not docile creatures, nor should they be modelled as such in 'sims'

KK


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