> >You're missing the point Eldred (like you missed a great race... a
> >wedding? -sheesh!!).
> Yeah well...she said there would be single women there, too...<g>
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I'm not aware of RASCAR ever having had rules. All there ever was is a set
of suggestions that the person who wrote them down thought make sense.
Achim
I looked at them and their connection numbers while others said they were
warping. Solid. No indication of trouble whatsoever.
I did see the half lap wink by Larry as his latency shot up... otherwise
everyone was pretty solid in that race. Even grubbat only jittered a little.
Too much to race him close, probably, but he wasn't "gone" for laps at a
time either.
That's the whole point John... unless you tell me that I am I have no
indication of it happening. You will appear solid in my game and my
connection meters will show no activity. Only once in these races I've been
spiking and been able to tell myself.
Jan.
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Ah, ok, shoots that theory down in flames :) If I'm ever in another race,
I'll let you know if you're blinking; it's only been under yellow, so I
never bothered.
John
Just reviewed my tape. I warped out on lap 10.
Joon, zz, and myself had some great racing from lap 25 to 39 behind #37
edward c. I finally caught up with edward on lap 39 and chased him for about
6 laps but he was jumping around so much I wasn't man enough to try to pass.
I think that firewall problem was making his car jump from one side of the
track to the other. I was going to go for it on the inside once and he
reappeared right in front of me and I backed out of it. ZZ crashed then and
the yellow came out and we all got shuffled up during the pit stop.
Even though I didn't win, it was a fun race and I enjoyed it. I didnt crash
anyone out that I know of and I didn't get a black flag for speeding in the
pits like I should have.
Time to start gettin ready for the next one.
grub
Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: RASCAR: Texas
> "John Pancoast" wrote...
> > <snip>
> > Jan, if you looked at the entries conn numbers and they
> > were fine, chances are their conn problems happened after
> > that. Iow, unless you looked at their conn numbers when
> > they were warping, etc.
> I looked at them and their connection numbers while others said they were
> warping. Solid. No indication of trouble whatsoever.
> I did see the half lap wink by Larry as his latency shot up... otherwise
> everyone was pretty solid in that race. Even grubbat only jittered a
little.
> Too much to race him close, probably, but he wasn't "gone" for laps at a
> time either.
> > Also fwiw, in the races I've been in, you've blinked in
> > and out quite a bit, so maybe that has something to do
> > with too. Hope this helps.
> That's the whole point John... unless you tell me that I am I have no
> indication of it happening. You will appear solid in my game and my
> connection meters will show no activity. Only once in these races I've
been
> spiking and been able to tell myself.
> > "John Pancoast" wrote...
> > > <snip>
> > > Jan, if you looked at the entries conn numbers and they
> > > were fine, chances are their conn problems happened after
> > > that. Iow, unless you looked at their conn numbers when
> > > they were warping, etc.
> > I looked at them and their connection numbers while others said they
were
> > warping. Solid. No indication of trouble whatsoever.
> > I did see the half lap wink by Larry as his latency shot up... otherwise
> > everyone was pretty solid in that race. Even grubbat only jittered a
> little.
> > Too much to race him close, probably, but he wasn't "gone" for laps at a
> > time either.
> > > Also fwiw, in the races I've been in, you've blinked in
> > > and out quite a bit, so maybe that has something to do
> > > with too. Hope this helps.
> > That's the whole point John... unless you tell me that I am I have no
> > indication of it happening. You will appear solid in my game and my
> > connection meters will show no activity. Only once in these races I've
> been
> > spiking and been able to tell myself.
> > Jan.
> > =-
> Ah, ok, shoots that theory down in flames :) If I'm ever in another
race,
> I'll let you know if you're blinking; it's only been under yellow, so I
> never bothered.
> John
-Larry
> > > "John Simmons" wrote...
> > > > <snip>
> > > > That's what caused it. Your firewall (a software-firewall)
> > > > was checking packets as they came in, and every oonce in a
> > > > while it backed up and probaly quueued the packets into
> > > > a temporary buffer until it could analysize them.
> > > > Do yourself a favor and get a hardware router, link a
> > > > Linksys. They make a one-port version of it if that's all
> > > > you need.
> > > Interesting... link?
> > > Jan.
> > > =---
> > Just do a search for "befrs41" on pricewatch. The cheapest I saw was
> > $70 for the 4-port switch/router . That's what I have and it works
> > GREAT.
> Ditto here, as a matter of fact, I love my router so much that when a
storm
> came through and fried both my router and my network card a couple of
weeks
> ago, I immediately went to Best Buy and picked up another network card and
> Linksys router.
> Don Burnette
Blocking is bullshit in any situation. If you're running for position,
and you want to protect your line, a single move is what I would
consider prudent, but weaving back and forth is total bullshit.
This is not real life racing, and as has already been discussed quite
extensively, we will always have problems with warp and latency. It's
just not smart to risk everybody's race, ESPECIALLY if we're not racing
for points.
At no time did I say that anything was mandatory, but if people don't
want to cooperate and all follow the same guidelines, then why are we
all here?
Want to go with no rules at all? Okay by me. Oh, but there's those
pesky intentional wreckers. Guess we should make a rule about that. Oh,
and what about those people that like to sit there and flame everyone
and find cute litle ways to bypass Sierra's chat sensors. Guess we
should make a rule about that too, otherwise we won't see the pit
entry/exit messages. How about the people that like to jump the
starts...
See how it goes? You guys want order, but you don't think we need a
decent ruleset in order to maintain that order, and even worse, you
don't think anyone should be responsible for being the cop (and sure as
hell, none of you want the job yourselves). Sure, we're not a league,
but that means we have to be even more careful about punks that want to
join the races for reasons other than racing.
It's up to you guys. I ain't here to be a politician and make everyone
feel good about themselves - I'm here to race as clean and fairly as
possible - I don't care about finishing first, I merely care about
finishing as best as I can, 1st or 43rd.
> >Yes I did put myself there, but to tell you the truth, I was fine with my
> >position. YOU seemed to be the one who had a problem with my position. And
> >up until the RASCAR rule page was updated, there was no rule stating that I
> >HAD to give you the lap back. Now, of course, it appears to be
> >mandatory......
> Mandatory? I don't remember that - John...?
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I think the main sticking point here was that you were blocking cars that
DIDN'T MATTER to you, and you were screwing up the race they were having
with the cars around them.
You were so slow in the apex that I damned near ran over you twice.
You should have just let Farmer and me go around you normally and have at
each other in our own race.
That's all :)
-Larry
> > So why didn't you just take your chances with the cars you were racing
> > for position? *YOU* put yourself in that position, nobody else did, and
> > if the 2nd place car had been close enough to make it viable, I would
> > have let him by without a fight because I wasn't racing him. I was
> > trying to get at leaat one lap back.
> Yes I did put myself there, but to tell you the truth, I was fine with my
> position. YOU seemed to be the one who had a problem with my position. And
> up until the RASCAR rule page was updated, there was no rule stating that
I
> HAD to give you the lap back. Now, of course, it appears to be
> mandatory......
> > I couldn't get inside you because you weren't allowing it. Driving the
> > low line is a bullshit maneuver.
> *IF* I was hugging the freakin apron the whole way around the track, that
> might be a bs maneuver. But I was not. There *was* room for a car to pass
me
> on the inside except in turns......
> > Now you most certainly must be aware that I'd lose any speed advantage
> > by going high while you hugged the apron. Going high wasn't an option
> > *for me*.
> Likewise.
> > In closing, let me say... Don't block me (or anyone else) like that
> > again.
> Of *course* not. Not now that the rules state I am *required* to let you
by.
> Maybe you should present your rule to NASCAR officials; perhaps they would
> like to institute it in future Winston Cup events.
> While you are at it, maybe a rule stating something like "No disagreeing
> with John."
> p.s. I would seriously feel a lot better about that little bump you gave
me
> on the last lap if you would accept my apology for it.
He should have just let us go by and have our own race. We were no threat
to him.
If I was trying to overtake him for position this late in the race I
wouldn't have any problem with it, but that was not the case.
-Larry
> I was explained by the Nascar experts some time ago that some blocking on
> the last one or two laps is acceptable.
> I can't talk about how you pulled it off as I wasn't there, and you can
> always discuss the pros and cons of a strategy or move, but I can't find
> anything majorly wrong about what you intended to do.
> Achim
> > First off, sincerest apologies to Uwe for spinning you out. Was not
> > intentional, was completely my fault, and if there was any justice in
this
> > cruel world, I would have spun out with you and finished dead last.
Sorry.
> > > Actually, Joon actively blocked me in order to keep me "between him
and
> > > 2nd place (who was not near close enough to catch him before the end
of
> > > the race). I actually rear-ended him as we exited turn 2 with one
lap
> > > to go because he was trying to run the low line. I was clearly faster
> > > and was beginning to make the pass on him (I was 3 laps down in 8th
> > > place), yet he insisted on blocking me. He almost got spun out for
his
> > > trouble.
> > Allow me to explain.........
> > Midway through the race I decided to take a gamble on pit strategy. No
one
> > seemed to be pitting on that last caution we had, and I thought might
just
> > be able to make it from there while everyone else would still need to
stop
> > again. Luckily I was right about that. Please understand that by the
time
> we
> > got to the last 3 or 4 laps, I did not have a car capable of being very
> > competitive.
> > Though I did indeed desperately want to keep someone (preferably as many
> > people as possible) between me and zugzug, that does not mean that I was
> > going to prevent you from passing at all costs. All you had to do to
pass
> me
> > was do what LBT Racer did... get alongside me. Soon as he did that,
> > it was his.
> > Yes, I was running the low line. In the turns I really had no choice.
When
> > LBT and Bfarmer went by forcing me to go higher, it was all I could do
to
> > keep from riding the wall. Yes I was slower than you -- I had to let off
> the
> > throttle
> > sooner and get back on it later than you, both to conserve gas and to
stay
> > low.
> > If you had chosen to take your fresh tires to the high line in a turn,
you
> > were more than welcome to it.
> > Understand that normally I would pull over and let a faster car by,
> > *especially* if we were not on the same lap. This was different. I was
in
> > first place at the end of
> > the race, I could see the second place car in my rear view mirror.
Whether
> > he actually posed a threat or not I would only know in hindsight. All I
> knew
> > at the moment was that you were serving nicely as an obstacle for him to
> get
> > by before I would have to worry about him, and if you didn't like the
> > position you were in you could darn well earn your way out of it. I was
> not
> > going to lift my skirt hem and give it to you.
> > Now about this business of you rear ending me. I have watched this
replay
> > from nearly every view over and over and over, and I can state with no
> trace
> > of uncertainty, that this was just plain foolishness on my part. The
plan
> > was to come out of the turn in the center of the track and hold it there
> til
> > the next turn. What I did not realize until after the fact was that I
was
> > giving absolutely no room for you to drift up the track, which you did
> with
> > uncanny precision. Perhaps it was my inexperience at sim racing which
led
> to
> > this grievous error on my part; maybe it was the fact that I was flush
> with
> > e***ment at the prospect of my first ever online win. Regardless, I
> > screwed up there, and all the weak excuses I could muster in a lifetime
> > would not change that. I definitely should have given room at that
point,
> > and I apologize for not doing so. Thankfully fate allowed me to learn my
> > lesson without wrecking the both of us.
> > > This goes to prove that blocking in ANY way is NOT a good idea when
> > > you're racing online. Joon's connection was pretty flakey too, and if
> > > he had warped when I was trying to pass him, he'd have wrecked us
both.
> > > He had been told about his connection a couple of times during the
race.
> > > I thought it was un-sporting, and dangerous besides.
> > My connection was flakey? People told me about my connection several
> times?
> > Did anyone else see this? My latency showed a low green bar the whole
> race.
> > On my end there was a minimal amount of lag between us -- the only
person
> I
> > saw in the whole race with lag of any consequence was I think #37, or
> maybe
> > it was #39. Naturally this can be different from person to person, and I
> > suspect in your case may have been magnified by a deep dislike of having
> to
> > pass someone without knowing ahead of time that it's a sure thing,
though
> I
> > will admit this is pure speculation on my part.
> > In closing allow me to quote from a post you made several days
ago.......
> > "What they're talking about is staying on the bottom all the way around
> > the track. That's not racing (at least not in my book). Technically,
> > it also isn't blocking, but it *is* bad form."
> > I can see why you don't like it. I can see why you say it is bad form. I
> > also could see that if you added up all the ***, fuel, and bad form I
> had
> > at the end of this race, 'bout ALL you would have is bad form.
> > Would I do it again? you can bet your sweet bippy's......
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> >Single women at a wedding is not a good combination Eldred :)
> Well, I have to start SOMEWHERE. I seem to have problems finding
singles... I
> didn't find any last night either. I'm starting to think they don't exist
in
> my age range.
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Of course that means that these available women are getting older too. ;o)
Elrikk
PS
I remember being in a typical country and western bar one night (many, many
years ago) and noticing the panic starting to set in on the faces of the
various people that had not yet found the person of their dreams (at least
their dreams for that night). As I gazed out at the room it dawned on me
that the only fate worse then going home alone that night would be going
home with someone from that bar.
Patience is a virtue. ;o)
> >Single women at a wedding is not a good combination Eldred :)
> Well, I have to start SOMEWHERE. I seem to have problems finding
singles... I
> didn't find any last night either. I'm starting to think they don't exist
in
> my age range.
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> >Yes I did put myself there, but to tell you the truth, I was fine with my
> >position. YOU seemed to be the one who had a problem with my position.
And
> >up until the RASCAR rule page was updated, there was no rule stating that
I
> >HAD to give you the lap back. Now, of course, it appears to be
> >mandatory......
> Mandatory? I don't remember that - John...?
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