Gotta agree w/ Dave on this one, tho I don't know if it's the server's conn or
just the internet Gremlins. A couple of times my conn went to red for a sec or
so, & once, while following Larry, he disappeared for 1/2 a lap, tho everyone
else was still there.
<snip>
(Twilight Zone music in the background) Heh, heh, heh (evil sounding cackle)...
it's working... ;-)
Brian
No need to apologize Red. I was *** the brakes to avoid what was happening
ahead and I saw you trying to miss. ( I thought you DID miss but heard a wham
and went around :) What I didn't understand was the other car racing back to
the green after we had taken it. You did nothing wrong, very clean.
Dan
BTW... Damned fine racing today :)
-Larry
> > Two different things happened today. Eldred's server seemed to be acting
up
> > a bit. I don't think I'm the only one who got zapped and sent back a
lap.
> > Not 100% positive though. I've only had a connection problem with his
server
> > twice in what, 25 races? I've only been disco'd in maybe two pickup
races at
> > sirerra.com. My connection is almost always one of the strongest on
whatever
> > server I'm on.When I got zapped today, the latency meter shot into the
red
> > and then I was sent to the back of the field and a lap down. I'm not
> > concerned at all about the connection issue today. That's going to
happen
> > occasionally. I've probably got it better than 99.99% of people who race
> > online. The freezes are alltogether different though.
> Gotta agree w/ Dave on this one, tho I don't know if it's the server's
conn or
> just the internet Gremlins. A couple of times my conn went to red for a
sec or
> so, & once, while following Larry, he disappeared for 1/2 a lap, tho
everyone
> else was still there.
> <snip>
> > David G Fisher
> > P.S. Maybe it's Brian Farmer who's causing the freezes. It's always HIM
I'm
> > near when they happen. He was sending me private chat messages begging
me to
> > ease up before I began to pass him. He said I was upsetting his tummy.
He's
> > doing SOMETHING to me, I just don't know what. :-)
> (Twilight Zone music in the background) Heh, heh, heh (evil sounding
cackle)...
> it's working... ;-)
> Brian
I was able to keep him behind, but barely. I thought JLi was going to mess
me up with the blocking near the end, and cost me 3rd, but it came out ok.
Zug had checked out. I wasn't even thinking about him any more.
How Joon Li went so many laps on fuel and stole the show is beyond my
comprehension, but good pit call!
-Larry
I don't understand the reason for it. He was a lap up on the field with his
pit sneak, and even though I was a bunch faster than he was (fresher tires)
I was no threat to his position.
I didn't lose a spot, so I'm not too upset about it :)
-Larry
> > > We must have gone over 40 laps green at the start.
> > > Brilliant fun :)
> 45 laps
> > If I were to criticize (and I am... <g>) I'd say Uwe and Joon-Li made
things
> > harder than they should have been considering the circumstances on a
couple
> > of occasions, but nothing really unsporting, IMO.
> Actually, Joon actively blocked me in order to keep me "between him and
> 2nd place (who was not near close enough to catch him before the end of
> the race). I actually rear-ended him as we exited turn 2 with one lap
> to go because he was trying to run the low line. I was clearly faster
> and was beginning to make the pass on him (I was 3 laps down in 8th
> place), yet he insisted on blocking me. He almost got spun out for his
> trouble.
> This goes to prove that blocking in ANY way is NOT a good idea when
> you're racing online. Joon's connection was pretty flakey too, and if
> he had warped when I was trying to pass him, he'd have wrecked us both.
> He had been told about his connection a couple of times during the race.
> I thought it was un-sporting, and dangerous besides.
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> Some very long green runs with just enough cautions to make it
> interesting. Neil had problems on pit road like he said and 43
> Simmons I believe got a BF/stop-n-go for passing me and then entering
> pit road under caution, which kinda took them out of contention. 98
> Larry was also running very good but on restarts I believe he was
> mixing it up with lap cars which allowed me to pull away. It was
> definetly going to be anyones race. If you look at the practice
> times, I believe almost everyone was within 3 or 4 tenths of each
> other. Congrats again to the winner.
> Brian Oster
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:49:58 +0000 (UTC), "Neil Charlton"
> >Hi all,
> >We must have gone over 40 laps green at the start. Brilliant fun :)
Zugzug
> >and I had pulled away from the field before the first yellow then I
stuffed
> >the pit stop. On the restart I got behind a car with the worst online
warp
> >I've ever seen. I tried to get by but the thing leapt 12 feet in one
frame
> >and got me. Didn't know how bad the damage was so I carried on the
> >warp-demon bit me twice more.
> >No recriminations but I wonder if those apparently warping to others can
> >detect this themselves? I've only been on NR2002 a little while and
always
> >with ADSL so I've not much to judge it against. Is it something a minimum
> >latency setting could overcome or are the two not necessarily related.
> >Although it wrecked my race (and a fair few others I suspect), I'm not
too
> >aggrieved but I do wonder if there's anyway to control such ectremes.
> >cya in Pepsi
Especially on Novell based networks these days. The Windows 2000/XP Novell
clients are really shaky sometimes.
-Larry
> >I am convinced that Dave's problem with freezes is being caused by
Network
> >Lag in his Internet Connection.
> >Either his Cable Company, or his home network, router, or something.
> >Maybe a lousy LAN card.
> >-Larry
> I still think if that was the problem it would be nothing more than a
> warping issue (since thats what warping is).
> One thing I have noticed is that after I have been playing a long time
> my screen takes a LONG time to transition between screens. For
> example when I hit the drive button to get in the car, I will hear
> "gentlemen start your engines" and then my car starting up, and my
> screen will just be black and then finally my car shows up. Or if I
> click replay, the screen will be black for several seconds before the
> replay start, but I can hear the replay running. BUT, this only
> happens after playing for several hours, which kinda seems to indicate
> some sort of memory leak (can you have a video ram leak???). I never
> had this problem under Win98 but have noticed it ever since moving to
> XP. I think I might run performance monitor the next time and see if
> I can narrow it down any more. Any way, I wonder if this could have
> anything to do with his freeze problems.
> Dave, you might try running performance monitor as well, maybe it will
> reveal something. Try monitoring different memory counters such as
> pages/sec which would indicate swap file usage.
I think the regular drivers in this series are really starting to show what
can be done. Last night was brilliant fun and any errors were mainly
technical than stupid. Looking forward to next week :)
BTW - this snip of a replay is what I experienced:
http://www.skidmarkracing.org.uk/TexasWarp.zip
Regards
> There may be the odd case that two drivers with not so good connections
only
> see each other warp while all others are ok for them, and see them as
being
> ok as well, simply because their added lag is big, while their individual
> lag added up with the lag of one of the guys with a better connection is
> still good enough to avoid major warping...
> Achim
> > Hi all,
> > We must have gone over 40 laps green at the start. Brilliant fun :)
Zugzug
> > and I had pulled away from the field before the first yellow then I
> stuffed
> > the pit stop. On the restart I got behind a car with the worst online
warp
> > I've ever seen. I tried to get by but the thing leapt 12 feet in one
frame
> > and got me. Didn't know how bad the damage was so I carried on the
> > warp-demon bit me twice more.
> > No recriminations but I wonder if those apparently warping to others can
> > detect this themselves? I've only been on NR2002 a little while and
always
> > with ADSL so I've not much to judge it against. Is it something a
minimum
> > latency setting could overcome or are the two not necessarily related.
> > Although it wrecked my race (and a fair few others I suspect), I'm not
too
> > aggrieved but I do wonder if there's anyway to control such ectremes.
> > cya in Pepsi
--
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Commissioner
Middle-Aged Racers Association (MARA)
> I think the regular drivers in this series are really starting to show
what
> can be done. Last night was brilliant fun and any errors were mainly
> technical than stupid. Looking forward to next week :)
> BTW - this snip of a replay is what I experienced:
> http://www.skidmarkracing.org.uk/TexasWarp.zip
> Regards
> > I think if you see one or two other cars warping, it's probably their
> > connection. If you see most other cars warping, it's probably your
> > connection.
> > There may be the odd case that two drivers with not so good connections
> only
> > see each other warp while all others are ok for them, and see them as
> being
> > ok as well, simply because their added lag is big, while their
individual
> > lag added up with the lag of one of the guys with a better connection is
> > still good enough to avoid major warping...
> > Achim
> > > Hi all,
> > > We must have gone over 40 laps green at the start. Brilliant fun :)
> Zugzug
> > > and I had pulled away from the field before the first yellow then I
> > stuffed
> > > the pit stop. On the restart I got behind a car with the worst online
> warp
> > > I've ever seen. I tried to get by but the thing leapt 12 feet in one
> frame
> > > and got me. Didn't know how bad the damage was so I carried on the
> > > warp-demon bit me twice more.
> > > No recriminations but I wonder if those apparently warping to others
can
> > > detect this themselves? I've only been on NR2002 a little while and
> always
> > > with ADSL so I've not much to judge it against. Is it something a
> minimum
> > > latency setting could overcome or are the two not necessarily related.
> > > Although it wrecked my race (and a fair few others I suspect), I'm not
> too
> > > aggrieved but I do wonder if there's anyway to control such ectremes.
> > > cya in Pepsi
It would appear that, unlike GPL, N2k2 allows for these "warping to some"
type of incidents. At New Hampshire I had a run-in with Larry which left me
spitting nails as to me he just appeared to slide up in the corner and shove
me into the wall. Turned out, however, that to him (and several others) I
was warping all over the place. I had no indication of that happening at the
time (the others appeared "solid" to me). I also appeared stable to others
on track.
From my spectator point of view Edward appeared solid in this race, so did
you, so did Bamadano (who was also being referred to as warping). The only
person who was position warping slightly to me was grubbat (as he has done
in every race he's participated in so far). As a side note: my ping to
Eldred's server was 40% percent up from it's usual 160ms to the 215ms range
(as it was at New Hampshire).
I think it's therefore important we warn eachother about the apparent state
of our connection so as to be able to take that extra little margin of
safety when dealing with eachother.
Jan.
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> Dan, sorry 'bout spinnin' you. I had slowed w/ you when JS was coming off the
> wall, but didn't leave enough distance when you hit the brakes (tho on my screen
> I just missed you & had no damage, but you moved like I hit you)... my bad
> I stayed on the apron so you could get back by me, even tho we were "racing back
> to the yellow", when another car came by me & put you in the wall on the
> backstretch. He *was* racing back to the yellow, & wouldn't have hit you if I
> hadn't spun you in the first place. My fault, & I apologize again.
I was running 2nd when that caution came out and I lifted before I
crossed the s/f line, I figured there was no reason to race back to the
yellow since we'd only gone one lap. #98 didn't apparently feel the
same way (grin), and he came up on me real fast but inside and looked
like he was gonna go to the apron.
I was so busy watching my mirror (to see if #98 car would hit me) that I
didn't pay attention to my driving and I slammed the wall and spun down
to the apron, collecting the #31 car in the process, no to mention
causing collateral problems behind me.
Then, as I was catching up to the pace line, the pace car passed the
entrance to pit road, and I swooped in, but apparently not before
passing #27 car. The sim awarded me with a black flag.
Okay, at the next restart, I made a lap, but just as I was pulling onto
pit road to serve my black flag, another yellow came out, and I didn't
stop in my pit stall, but I entered the racing surface before the
backstretch, and I got penalized with a "back of the longest line"
penalty for unsafe pit exit.
On the NEXT restart, I went a couple of laps before serving the black
flag just to make sure I wouldn't be caught like that again.
I ended up in 8th place, fourth laps down because of two brain farts and
a sim irregularity.
First 48 laps were great though.
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I'm being told btw that cables can be both good and bad - the bandwidth
doesn't seem to be guaranteed at all times.
Achim
> --
> Edward
> Commissioner
> Middle-Aged Racers Association (MARA)
> > That's the weird thing. I didn't want to name anyone (we've been there)
> but
> > Edward has replied in a way that suggests he had no knowledge of the
fact
> > that to me he was all over the place. I think that's what I was really
> > asking - is it possible for me to see him absolutely all over the place
> but
> > for him to have no indication of this. I guess his post shows it is so
not
> > his fault in any way.
> > I think the regular drivers in this series are really starting to show
> what
> > can be done. Last night was brilliant fun and any errors were mainly
> > technical than stupid. Looking forward to next week :)
> > BTW - this snip of a replay is what I experienced:
> > http://www.skidmarkracing.org.uk/TexasWarp.zip
> > Regards
> > > I think if you see one or two other cars warping, it's probably their
> > > connection. If you see most other cars warping, it's probably your
> > > connection.
> > > There may be the odd case that two drivers with not so good
connections
> > only
> > > see each other warp while all others are ok for them, and see them as
> > being
> > > ok as well, simply because their added lag is big, while their
> individual
> > > lag added up with the lag of one of the guys with a better connection
is
> > > still good enough to avoid major warping...
> > > Achim
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > We must have gone over 40 laps green at the start. Brilliant fun :)
> > Zugzug
> > > > and I had pulled away from the field before the first yellow then I
> > > stuffed
> > > > the pit stop. On the restart I got behind a car with the worst
online
> > warp
> > > > I've ever seen. I tried to get by but the thing leapt 12 feet in one
> > frame
> > > > and got me. Didn't know how bad the damage was so I carried on the
> > > > warp-demon bit me twice more.
> > > > No recriminations but I wonder if those apparently warping to others
> can
> > > > detect this themselves? I've only been on NR2002 a little while and
> > always
> > > > with ADSL so I've not much to judge it against. Is it something a
> > minimum
> > > > latency setting could overcome or are the two not necessarily
related.
> > > > Although it wrecked my race (and a fair few others I suspect), I'm
not
> > too
> > > > aggrieved but I do wonder if there's anyway to control such
ectremes.
> > > > cya in Pepsi
That's what caused it. Your firewall (a software-firewall) was checking
packets as they came in, and every oonce in a while it backed up and
probaly quueued the packets into a temporary buffer until it could
analysize them.
Do yourself a favor and get a hardware router, link a Linksys. They
make a one-port version of it if that's all you need.
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Interesting... link?
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