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Major N2002 and XP issues

Olav K. Malm

Major N2002 and XP issues

by Olav K. Malm » Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:07:26

I'm sure this has been covered before, searched on google, but didn't
find anything, so I go out on a limb and here :)

Got N2002 yesterday, thanks Goy, and installed it on my XP
partition. Finally no problems of finding the CD in the drive like N4
had, and start up. I choosed Direct3D at 1200x960x16 something. The
MSFF (gameport) wheel calibrated well and off I went to Daytona.

Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50
fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ?

Then I was going to exit the game, pressed escape during the end
credits and waited and waited and waited and waited. What's all this
then ?

So, for XP I have two problems, no sound and one big wait.

Installed on my WinME partition, which I don't really like because it
only handles 256 of my 512 MB ram. Direct3D was choppy bigtime, but
OpenGL did the trick. No problems whatsoever at all.

I would prefer to run the game on XP though. Any good tips would be
appreciated.

System:
Epox 8kha+ mainboard
AMD xp1600+
512 mb ddr ram
SB Live Player 1024
ELSA GeForce3 ti200 (at gf3 speed) 23.10 drivers.

And my #176 JBL Dodge is soon finished and will be
uploaded to the RASCAR forum very soon :)

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David G Fishe

Major N2002 and XP issues

by David G Fishe » Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:56:17



Are you alone in a testing session or with 42 AI in front of you? Mirror on
or off, and what mirror detail setting? How many cars visible in mirror?
What track? If you want to gain some fps, turn off reflections and turn
sounds down to 8. You'll gain a lot with those two changes.

I run N2002 in XP on a P4 1600, 320 meg ram, GF2Ti in D3D with the 28.32
drivers and frame rate isn't an issue for me. I run full graphics with 15 AI
ahead and 3 in mirror. I turn off reflections. Frame rate is always between
35 and 80. I hit 100+ on some trakcs in testing. You should have better fps
than me with your GF3.

David G Fisher

Olav K. Malm

Major N2002 and XP issues

by Olav K. Malm » Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:05:32




> > I'm sure this has been covered before, searched on google, but didn't
> > find anything, so I go out on a limb and here :)

> > Got N2002 yesterday, thanks Goy, and installed it on my XP
> > partition. Finally no problems of finding the CD in the drive like N4
> > had, and start up. I choosed Direct3D at 1200x960x16 something. The
> > MSFF (gameport) wheel calibrated well and off I went to Daytona.

> > Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50
> > fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ?

> Are you alone in a testing session or with 42 AI in front of you? Mirror on
> or off, and what mirror detail setting? How many cars visible in mirror?
> What track? If you want to gain some fps, turn off reflections and turn
> sounds down to 8. You'll gain a lot with those two changes.

How silly of me not to mention that. Alone on the track in a testing
session. In the turns I get around 50, and in the beginning of the
straights it goes to around 35.

Thanks for the tips. I'll try them today.

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David G Fishe

Major N2002 and XP issues

by David G Fishe » Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:31:41






>> > > Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50
> > > fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ?

> > Are you alone in a testing session or with 42 AI in front of you? Mirror
on
> > or off, and what mirror detail setting? How many cars visible in mirror?
> > What track? If you want to gain some fps, turn off reflections and turn
> > sounds down to 8. You'll gain a lot with those two changes.

> How silly of me not to mention that. Alone on the track in a testing
> session. In the turns I get around 50, and in the beginning of the
> straights it goes to around 35.

Well it will depend on the track, but that does seem low. Here's something
specific to compare to.

At North Carolina (Rockingham) in a testing session and sitting in my pit
stall in***pit view, I get 110 fps without mirror, 65 with mirror at low
detail, 57 with mirror at high detail. Again, I use full graphics except
reflections are turned off and sounds set to 8. Anisotrophic filtering has
no effect on my fps whether it's off or on.

David G Fisher

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Biz

Major N2002 and XP issues

by Biz » Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:04:01

Looks like most of your issues have been addressed.  WinME handles 512MB RAM fine, either you are
mistaken, or you have a system problem........ask around, you'll find that out for yourself.
--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash



Goy Larse

Major N2002 and XP issues

by Goy Larse » Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:07:37


> Installed on my WinME partition, which I don't really like because it
> only handles 256 of my 512 MB ram. Direct3D was choppy bigtime, but
> OpenGL did the trick. No problems whatsoever at all.

There's a quick fix for this

"start"-"run"-"msconfig"-"advanced"-"limit system memory to"- 256

No reason why ME shouldn't handle 512 though, except that it's a crappy
POS that will sometimes ***on perfectly good hardware, but at least
you don't have to pull the ram sticks

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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Eldre

Major N2002 and XP issues

by Eldre » Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:37:32



>Are you alone in a testing session or with 42 AI in front of you? Mirror on
>or off, and what mirror detail setting? How many cars visible in mirror?
>What track? If you want to gain some fps, turn off reflections and turn
>sounds down to 8. You'll gain a lot with those two changes.

I'm *still* only getting 37fps, even changing those like you suggested during
one race.  Practice or race, same fps.

Eldred
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j.larson

Major N2002 and XP issues

by j.larson » Sat, 20 Apr 2002 02:57:25

I find if you turn the SOUNDS down to just 8 or less, your FPS will go up
dramatically.

James



Admi

Major N2002 and XP issues

by Admi » Sat, 20 Apr 2002 05:29:25

I had no sound in N2002 (and NASCAR Legneds for that matter) when I tried to
run them under XP until I had gotten the latest XP drivers for my old SB
Live MP3+5.1. That fixed that. I ended up getting an SB Audigy for some
other problems I was having and my system has been much nicer to me sinec
getting rid of that EMU10k sound chip found on the SB Live series. Mine was
likely a mobo conflict since every computer I build tends to be based on an
AMD CPU and Via based mobo...

Turn off the intro and exit video options under the graphics tab might help
the hang on exit deal, dunno. This is the first thing I do with every sim
after watching the intro once :)



Tim

Major N2002 and XP issues

by Tim » Sat, 20 Apr 2002 06:49:48

Mirrors are for wimps
:) j/k

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at high detail

Tim

Major N2002 and XP issues

by Tim » Sat, 20 Apr 2002 06:52:11

There's no such thing as less than 8 :)
But your point is taken
:)

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Olav Malmi

Major N2002 and XP issues

by Olav Malmi » Sat, 20 Apr 2002 16:07:46


> Looks like most of your issues have been addressed.  WinME handles 512MB RAM fine, either you are
> mistaken, or you have a system problem........ask around, you'll find that out for yourself.

I was under the impression that WinME, beeing based on the old Win98
code couldn't handle more. Anyway, I feel that in XP things concerning
memory are way faster, but of course, that can have other explainations.

> Biz

> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash



> > I'm sure this has been covered before, searched on google, but didn't
> > find anything, so I go out on a limb and here :)

> > Got N2002 yesterday, thanks Goy, and installed it on my XP
> > partition. Finally no problems of finding the CD in the drive like N4
> > had, and start up. I choosed Direct3D at 1200x960x16 something. The
> > MSFF (gameport) wheel calibrated well and off I went to Daytona.

> > Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50
> > fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ?

> > Then I was going to exit the game, pressed escape during the end
> > credits and waited and waited and waited and waited. What's all this
> > then ?

> > So, for XP I have two problems, no sound and one big wait.

> > Installed on my WinME partition, which I don't really like because it
> > only handles 256 of my 512 MB ram. Direct3D was choppy bigtime, but
> > OpenGL did the trick. No problems whatsoever at all.

> > I would prefer to run the game on XP though. Any good tips would be
> > appreciated.

> > System:
> > Epox 8kha+ mainboard
> > AMD xp1600+
> > 512 mb ddr ram
> > SB Live Player 1024
> > ELSA GeForce3 ti200 (at gf3 speed) 23.10 drivers.

> > And my #176 JBL Dodge is soon finished and will be
> > uploaded to the RASCAR forum very soon :)

> > --
> > Olav K. Malmin
> > remove .spam when replying

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Olav Malmi

Major N2002 and XP issues

by Olav Malmi » Sat, 20 Apr 2002 16:09:53







> >> > > Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50
> > > > fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ?

> > > Are you alone in a testing session or with 42 AI in front of you? Mirror
> on
> > > or off, and what mirror detail setting? How many cars visible in mirror?
> > > What track? If you want to gain some fps, turn off reflections and turn
> > > sounds down to 8. You'll gain a lot with those two changes.

> > How silly of me not to mention that. Alone on the track in a testing
> > session. In the turns I get around 50, and in the beginning of the
> > straights it goes to around 35.

> Well it will depend on the track, but that does seem low. Here's something
> specific to compare to.

> At North Carolina (Rockingham) in a testing session and sitting in my pit
> stall in***pit view, I get 110 fps without mirror, 65 with mirror at low
> detail, 57 with mirror at high detail. Again, I use full graphics except
> reflections are turned off and sounds set to 8. Anisotrophic filtering has
> no effect on my fps whether it's off or on.

I turned off reflections and set number of sounds to 15. Now I have
yet to see a situation where the fps goes below 50. Usually the fps is
from 75 and upwards to 110 now. Thanks for the tips!

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Chris H

Major N2002 and XP issues

by Chris H » Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:26:24

Check out the Microsoft Knowledge Base article Q253912.  Millennium definitely handles 512, and you can even boost that with the information in Q253912.
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> > Looks like most of your issues have been addressed.  WinME handles 512MB RAM fine, either you are
> > mistaken, or you have a system problem........ask around, you'll find that out for yourself.

> I was under the impression that WinME, beeing based on the old Win98
> code couldn't handle more. Anyway, I feel that in XP things concerning
> memory are way faster, but of course, that can have other explainations.

> > Biz

> > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> > the....." - Ash



> > > I'm sure this has been covered before, searched on google, but didn't
> > > find anything, so I go out on a limb and here :)

> > > Got N2002 yesterday, thanks Goy, and installed it on my XP
> > > partition. Finally no problems of finding the CD in the drive like N4
> > > had, and start up. I choosed Direct3D at 1200x960x16 something. The
> > > MSFF (gameport) wheel calibrated well and off I went to Daytona.

> > > Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50
> > > fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ?

> > > Then I was going to exit the game, pressed escape during the end
> > > credits and waited and waited and waited and waited. What's all this
> > > then ?

> > > So, for XP I have two problems, no sound and one big wait.

> > > Installed on my WinME partition, which I don't really like because it
> > > only handles 256 of my 512 MB ram. Direct3D was choppy bigtime, but
> > > OpenGL did the trick. No problems whatsoever at all.

> > > I would prefer to run the game on XP though. Any good tips would be
> > > appreciated.

> > > System:
> > > Epox 8kha+ mainboard
> > > AMD xp1600+
> > > 512 mb ddr ram
> > > SB Live Player 1024
> > > ELSA GeForce3 ti200 (at gf3 speed) 23.10 drivers.

> > > And my #176 JBL Dodge is soon finished and will be
> > > uploaded to the RASCAR forum very soon :)

> > > --
> > > Olav K. Malmin
> > > remove .spam when replying

> --
> Olav K. Malmin
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