-YUBS
> >What didn't make sense? What was wrong?
> You've got me - I was asking you that. Looks like we're both all
> messed up now :-)
> Cheers!
> John
also, i do have a TNT paired with my Voodoo 2 card. yes, the image
quality is nice. a little on the dark side, but nice, nonetheless.
however, screenshots mean absolutely nothing to me. performance does.
you get 9 fps.
i get 30+ in GPL.
Quake? i deathmatch at 60 fps. the v4400 have accomplishes an admirable
50 in any timedemo. deathmatch makes the card choke.
oh... but the colors are absolutely gorgeous when it bogs slow enough to
really pick out the detail! ;)
-jch
>>>>1) D3D is a bear to program, and would have cost Papyrus more
>>>>development money.
>>>Well, our programmer didn't have much trouble.
>>What, he worked for nothing?! :-)
>No - he worked. Did his job, Figured out the API and used it.
>Now we have a 3D sim that supports the vast majority of 3D cards
>out there.
Cheers!
John
>> And i think you'll ifnd that GPL is certainly the only new release which
> isn't
>> supported. Why? because developers moved on, papy didn't. :)
>> Their loss, not mine.
>Meanwhile, you're the one complaining, not them.
>Trips
Z.
>> And i think you'll ifnd that GPL is certainly the only new release which
> isn't
>> supported. Why? because developers moved on, papy didn't. :)
>> Their loss, not mine.
>> Z.
>you seem to be the one with a beef against Papyrus.
>also, i do have a TNT paired with my Voodoo 2 card. yes, the image
>quality is nice. a little on the dark side, but nice, nonetheless.
Is that all?
What system spec are you using?
Sounds like you need to upgrade your cpu.
Z.
snip
> In my experience, The "bear" was coming to terms with the Windows API
> in the first place- after you've spent 6 months doing that, the
> DirectX API looks like the most well organized thing MS ever did!
> Which isn't saying much. But unlike proprietary card APIs, and unlike
> OpenGL, DirectX combines sound, networking, graphics, and 3D
> capabilities within one API, so in many ways it is a lot easier to do
> game programming in general.
l8er
ronny
--
Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure,
kiddo?"
|\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather,
ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep.
|,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car,
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!
>Hey- I've got double the minimum specs on Papy's box (including my
>video card)- so then why, accoring to your rule, can't I run at over 9
>FPS in 600*800 with 5 cars?
It's really a shame if you can't enjoy it, and no sim is fun at 9fps.
Cheers!
John
>>Different timeframe...
>And can you imagine them being released now, fresh, with no 3D hardware
>support from the box?
Someone (Rrevved)said that GP2/ICR2/N2 survived without D3D, and I
responded that that was a different time, i.e. no fullgrown D3D
support available at the time, if any.
IMHO, D3D is very misleading ATM. If a game supports D3D, it is not
certain your D3D card will run that game, i.e. F1RS. The card must
contain atleast 4MB mem.
Nah, that's not possible.
Remco
>>>Different timeframe...
>>And can you imagine them being released now, fresh, with no 3D hardware
>>support from the box?
>You talkin' to me? :-)
>Someone (Rrevved)said that GP2/ICR2/N2 survived without D3D, and I
>responded that that was a different time, i.e. no fullgrown D3D
>support available at the time, if any.
True, but i almost guarantee you'll probably not able to run Nascar 2 on a
512k VGA card?
What you are talking about is video memory requirements, not D3D limitations.
(i.e) try running Incoming by Rage. It'll run on any D3D card, but will have
models untextured, if you slip below minimum memory on board (4mb). Quite
comical on a 2mb S3 virge, btw ;)
I assume that F1RS does a memory check and just prevents the above happening.
That is not to say you can't run F1RS on *any* D3D card with 4MB or more, but
the limitation is memory orientated, not chipset.
Z.
maybe i should specify Quake 2 next time. Quake 1 has been uninstalled for
quite some time now, and i'm sure that's what is misleading you.
i run a pII333 overclocked to 400mhz on an Asus P2B board, btw.
-jch
:) And i shoudl have asked if that's V-synched speed or not.
I'm running a P2-350, and i've read that a 300 is about the bottom limit for a
TNT, but i any case, it's faster than a single V2, slower than SLI, cheaper
than a single V2, and better image quality than V2 or V2-SLI.
Z.
Rick
snip
> I'm running a P2-350, and i've read that a 300 is about the bottom limit for a
> TNT, but i any case, it's faster than a single V2, slower than SLI, cheaper
> than a single V2, and better image quality than V2 or V2-SLI.
l8er
ronny
--
Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure,
kiddo?"
|\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather,
ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep.
|,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car,
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!
>snip
>> I'm running a P2-350, and i've read that a 300 is about the bottom limit for
> a
>> TNT, but i any case, it's faster than a single V2, slower than SLI, cheaper
>> than a single V2, and better image quality than V2 or V2-SLI.
>....and you can't play the sims, you want to play! Hmm, good choice!
>l8er
>ronny
I have Sli'd V2's and my comment on the whole D3D is:
(1)the TNT provides better quality images
(2) The APi's used are excluding a huge userbase
(3) This will impact sales
(4) This will effect the quality and number of future simulations.
Z.
>> yes, they are cheap- a lot cheaper than the board I have. I considered
>> it yesterday- for about an hour in CompUSA. In the end, I didn't buy-
>> because to use it I'd have to remove my already superior board. unless
>> one of you hackers out there knows how to get Win95 to handle two
>> boards...
>The Voodoo2 is designed to work alongside your existing video card. No
>hacking needed, that's how it is supposed to work, and it does.
The 3Dfx cards all were too much money- particularly since it isn't
clear they'll be in the lead in the next 6 months. I think read
someone saying the cheapos are in the $149 range- which card? I didn't
see anything down there... I saw a Creative Labs for considerably
more.
