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I just got done running about 5 laps at Hungary for the first time.
What I want to know is who said the track is inaccurate and why?
I simply don't believe it.

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Greg Cisko wrote :

I would like also to add that the Montreal track is the most fake track I
ever saw in F1RS.  I live 5mins of this track, and I raced many times on it.
11months a year 1/4 of the track is a road for people to get into the ***
(the 180turn and the stretch before the pits chicane serves as that). Btw
the *** is the big round thins you see in the middle of the track.  All
the rest (3/4) is also a road, without any cops (hehe) so my friend and I go
often race there "for the fun of it".  I went to all the F1 races since 1989
so I know how it is. Overall the Gp2 Montreal track is very much better.

The front stretch is good, the little turn to the right after the
grandstands turns too much (it's about 10degrees less in reality). The Senna
chicane is "decent", but grandstand are not really what and where they are
(Gp2 has them better).  1 major thing. Where is the elevation change after
the Senna chicane !!!!!!!! This is the best part of the track, and Gp2 has
it perfect !!!!!. In F1RS there is no elevation, but in reality it's about
3meters high.  This is the best place in the circuit to see who is the best
driver, and Schumi is the only one who takes it perfectly.  After there is a
right-left and it's wayyy to slow. It's full speed in reality.  After there
is the stretch where Panis got his crash, and it's not very good in F1RS.

After it's getting better. The next chicane is good. The stretch were you
pass under the bridge is very well done. The only bad thing is the bridge
itself, it's REALLY not it ;-). The only thing bad is that there is too many
trees, in reality you can see Montreal downtown there.  Btw the downtown is
so lame, it's West in F1RS, but in reality it's North ! Another well done
chicane after, and a good stretch (the one before the 180turn). The 180
hairpin is not good. It's kinda a double-apex turn in F1RS but it isn't that
in reality. Finally, the long straight is "decent" it still turns too much,
in reality there is a little tiny turn.

Gp2 had Montreal 1994 modelled perfectly, except the pits that are funny.
I'm not whining, just saying that the Montreal track is F1RS is not well
done.  F1RS is a blast. (but nothing is better than N2 IMHO still....).

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Huh. Well I guess I will dismiss future objections from
you then. Nothing personal but I think the track is fine :-)
I was amazed how much different is was from Hockenheim.
Hockenheim was a very tough track to win (against AMTR
AI. Quit laughing :-)   ). But Hungary was very different.
To me it was the same difference as going from Talladega
to Martinsville. Hungary is very much a short track in F1.
F1RS showed this very well.  So the final lefthander
before the main straight isn't good enough or something?
I remember from ESPN2 F1 races, that Hungary was not
all that hilly. It seems better than you make it seem. It
certainly does not deter from my enjoyment of the track
or game at all (it is my 11th track in F1RS) .

Oh well I guess I learned allot about peoples perceptions :-)

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On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:26:08 -0600, "Greg Cisko"

It's inaccurate in the same way Suzuka is - the layout of the track
itself is fine but it misses the elevation changes.

Cheers!
John

On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:39:15 -0600, "Greg Cisko"

Hockenheim is also wrong (Ostkurve chicane the worst offender), but
not as bad as Hungaroring or Suzuka.

So.....you don't actually know the track then!? Go and try it in GP2,
which gets it pretty correct. The best corner is T4(?), what should be
a sharp left hander at the crest of an uphill sweep, in fact the only
really good corner on the track - GONE.

You learn even more about people's tolerance of others and level of
understanding. For me, I don't really give a damn if Martinsville was
banked like Bristol - I've never been there, never seen it, not
interested, I just like driving in N2. I am however, perfectly willing
to accept that it _is_ important for NASCAR fans, and so I also demand
accuracy in the NASCAR sim. So too with you in F1 - you don't know
Suzuka or Hungaroring well so you don't know how much you are being
deprived of by not having accurate tracks. At least be willing to
accept the opinion of others though.

Cheers!
John

OK.

I would if I didn't throw the game out :)

\>accuracy in the NASCAR sim. So too with you in F1 - you don't know

And then again, maybe you don't know how deproved you have been
without a quality F1 simulator. I am willing to listen to the opinions of
others, I always have. Doesn't mean I have to accept it though. What I
mean it you may well be right about the elevations. I do not think that
what F1RS has completely ruins the experience. And that is the tone
that you do set. Just because you think that left-hander is the best
turn on the track does not mean I have to accept it. I kind of like the
sweeping turn one which goes under that bridge.

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Greg,

In the real Hungaroring, you drop down throughout turns 1,2,+ 3. The
straight after turn 3 slopes down slightly, but goes up again just before
turn 4. In real life (tm) this is a blind corner, looks quite scarey, not
so in F1RS. Also, the final 2 turns leading onto the pit straight are
uphill.

Julian

And John... Yes I do understand about tracks not being accurate. If
Martinsville were banked like Bristol, it would wreck the whole experience.
So I would say the same should be true about F1RS. So far though I
have not been dissapointed, possibly because I am not familiar
enough to appreciate it. I guess I was just going by shape, and
not elevation. However many of the tracks do show more apparent
elevation changes than GP2. Or seemed to to me.

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Greg,

FWIW, I talked to the folks at Ubi Soft, and they confirmed John's
suspicions about the inaccuracies of the tracks.  They also said
they have no plans for a patch to fix this.  =(

Cheers!

Marc

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On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:01:10 -0600, "Greg Cisko"

You have to accept it as their opinion. If Jacques Villeneuve told you
F1RS was ***and nothing like an F1 car, you would have to accept
that, no? The only difference here is that you don't know the
background of the people you are talking with.

No, but you have to accept that it ruins it _for_me_ and therefore it
may well ruin it for others. I've done three laps at Suzuka since I
got F1RS, compared to the hundreds that I've done at Nurburgring,
Monza, Monaco, Melbourne, wherever. For me the game is two tracks
short of complete - for you it's fine. That's great, I'm glad you
enjoy it.

Cheers!
John

On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:01:30 -0800, "Marc J. Nelson"

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Of course I accept that it is ruined for you. And now UBIsoft says
apparently told Mr. Simracing News that the tracks  are off as
you say and will not be fixed. What I won't do is drive around those
circuits thinking how they suck, because that isn't what I think.
I guess I am just not affected by it as much or something.

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Have to agree that the Ostkurve seems broken based on watching it on
the tube from in car....really seems to be missing the elevations.
Hopefully patchs will fix that sort of thing up. Not a game killer by
any stretch of the imagination for me...though...just a wish they
would fix it...kind of thing..<VBG>.

Pierre

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