rec.autos.simulators

by **tang** » Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:37:43

its official, gtr2 is in development :o)
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Byron Forbe** » Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:24:38

I'm surprised anyone is even interested in GTL or GTR2 - they are no
more than mods for rFactor and not even as good!

by **DJRJ** » Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:55:12

> I'm surprised anyone is even interested in GTL or GTR2 - they are no
> more than mods for rFactor and not even as good!

>> its official, gtr2 is in development :o)
>> http://www.blimeygames.com/games.php

It's becoming another EA sports thing for ps2, they put out a new game every
year just to sell more games.. Why not make an update to the old one and get
more people to buy it that way..

by **Chad Roger** » Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:14:12

I would argue that point for ever. I eagerly am waiting for GTL and GTR2, I
bought rFactor on the first day and stopped playing it weeks ago. I just
can't get into the "fake" cars and tracks( I know there are 2 tracks out
there and the 3000 mod). GTR as well as GTL has 25 times the content and
IMHO feels much more like "real" racing to me. Just one man's opinion and I
am not taking sides, I support those that support sim racing and ISI
obviously does that. Just not my cup of tea with rFactor.

Chad

>> I'm surprised anyone is even interested in GTL or GTR2 - they are no
>> more than mods for rFactor and not even as good!

>>> its official, gtr2 is in development :o)
>>> http://www.blimeygames.com/games.php

> It's becoming another EA sports thing for ps2, they put out a new game
> every year just to sell more games.. Why not make an update to the old one
> and get more people to buy it that way..

by **RodP** » Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:29:25

01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>,
Byron Forbes says...

I'm interested. They're more than just a mod to me.

Cheers,
Rod.

by **JML** » Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:20:49

Have you ever driven a racing car and know how it feels and acts? Maybe your
interest is more in arcade type of racing games than simulator type. I
played rFactor demo for some time and didnt find anything why I should buy
it. GTR has the real tracks, cars and quite nice overall feeling, the
environment is as close as current games can get, but unfortunately, as in
every game, it lacks the movement. Its difficult to argue about games, one
looks for great graphic another driving feeling. For me graphic is of course
part of a good game, but not as important as what is the driving feeling.

> I'm surprised anyone is even interested in GTL or GTR2 - they are no
> more than mods for rFactor and not even as good!

>> its official, gtr2 is in development :o)
>> http://www.blimeygames.com/games.php

by **Bruc** » Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:11:02

Ditto.
You have expressed my feelings precisely.

Bruce

> I would argue that point for ever. ....etc

by **Byron Forbe** » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:47:36

How would you feel if a mod for rFactor was released that had all of the
GTL cars, many of the tracks and drove better than GTL after you forked out
for GTL? Or any mod for that matter. Do you really believe GTL will be as
good as rFactor in 6 months? Or even 2 months? I'd say GTL would be lucky to
be as good as rFactor even now!

> 01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>,
> Byron Forbes says...

>> I'm surprised anyone is even interested in GTL or GTR2 - they are no
>> more than mods for rFactor and not even as good!

> I'm interested. They're more than just a mod to me.

> Cheers,
> Rod.

by **Byron Forbe** » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:47:43

GTR is***poor for online league racing - or it was last time I looked
and it definantly is stuffed out of the box.

> Have you ever driven a racing car and know how it feels and acts? Maybe
> your interest is more in arcade type of racing games than simulator type.
> I played rFactor demo for some time and didnt find anything why I should
> buy it. GTR has the real tracks, cars and quite nice overall feeling, the
> environment is as close as current games can get, but unfortunately, as in
> every game, it lacks the movement. Its difficult to argue about games, one
> looks for great graphic another driving feeling. For me graphic is of
> course part of a good game, but not as important as what is the driving
> feeling.

>> I'm surprised anyone is even interested in GTL or GTR2 - they are no
>> more than mods for rFactor and not even as good!

>>> its official, gtr2 is in development :o)
>>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Byron Forbe** » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:47:49

Well, there is no doubt that real life tracks and cars have a definate
novelty value. GPL is an excellent example - it conveyed the awesome tracks
and cars of the day brilliantly. It was also, more importantly, a complete
game and in no way alpha or beta code.

As far as GTL and GTR2 goes, first of all Simbin took us all for a ride.
Once bitten........................

Secondly, the novelty of real life stuff soon disappears and all that
remains is either a great simming experience or an unsatisfying, frustrating
experience eg. GTR. rFactor has plenty to keep me going as it is for at
least 6 months, but the reality is that in the next 6 months there will be a
ton of tracks and mods relesed for it. Even taking my dislike for Simbin out
of the equation, I see no reason to fork out for GTL or GTR2 when rFactor
will no doubt dish up the same and in a proven format as well. It just seems
like a waste of money to me unless the cars in GTL hold a VERY special place
in your heart.

The above is the attitude of someone only interested in online league
racing ie a proper simmer! LOL

>I would argue that point for ever. I eagerly am waiting for GTL and GTR2,
>I bought rFactor on the first day and stopped playing it weeks ago. I just
>can't get into the "fake" cars and tracks( I know there are 2 tracks out
>there and the 3000 mod). GTR as well as GTL has 25 times the content and
>IMHO feels much more like "real" racing to me. Just one man's opinion and
>I am not taking sides, I support those that support sim racing and ISI
>obviously does that. Just not my cup of tea with rFactor.

> Chad

>>> I'm surprised anyone is even interested in GTL or GTR2 - they are no
>>> more than mods for rFactor and not even as good!

>>>> its official, gtr2 is in development :o)
>>>> http://www.blimeygames.com/games.php

>> It's becoming another EA sports thing for ps2, they put out a new game
>> every year just to sell more games.. Why not make an update to the old
>> one and get more people to buy it that way..

by **Chad Roger** » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:24:04

Laughable, rFactor isn't in the same ballpark. Do a little research around
and see what the "proper simmers" are running leagues with.

> How would you feel if a mod for rFactor was released that had all of
> the
> GTL cars, many of the tracks and drove better than GTL after you forked
> out
> for GTL? Or any mod for that matter. Do you really believe GTL will be as
> good as rFactor in 6 months? Or even 2 months? I'd say GTL would be lucky
> to
> be as good as rFactor even now!

>> 01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>,
>> Byron Forbes says...

>>> I'm surprised anyone is even interested in GTL or GTR2 - they are no
>>> more than mods for rFactor and not even as good!

>> I'm interested. They're more than just a mod to me.

>> Cheers,
>> Rod.

by **Chad Roger** » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:27:19

I sure didn't get taken for a ride by Simbin, I played GTR for 6 straight
months, I barely played rFactor for 6 days before it became boring. I have
great hope for modders, but what does that have to do with how good rFactor
is right now.
As for your proper simmer comments they are laughable, have a look around
the net and see where most of the world top simmers are....GTR. Some are
still running 2003, and I will bet there will be plenty running GTL, a hell
of a lot more than will be running rFactor.

Chad

> Well, there is no doubt that real life tracks and cars have a definate
> novelty value. GPL is an excellent example - it conveyed the awesome
> tracks
> and cars of the day brilliantly. It was also, more importantly, a complete
> game and in no way alpha or beta code.

> As far as GTL and GTR2 goes, first of all Simbin took us all for a
> ride.
> Once bitten........................

> Secondly, the novelty of real life stuff soon disappears and all that
> remains is either a great simming experience or an unsatisfying,
> frustrating
> experience eg. GTR. rFactor has plenty to keep me going as it is for at
> least 6 months, but the reality is that in the next 6 months there will be
> a
> ton of tracks and mods relesed for it. Even taking my dislike for Simbin
> out
> of the equation, I see no reason to fork out for GTL or GTR2 when rFactor
> will no doubt dish up the same and in a proven format as well. It just
> seems
> like a waste of money to me unless the cars in GTL hold a VERY special
> place
> in your heart.

> The above is the attitude of someone only interested in online league
> racing ie a proper simmer! LOL

>>I would argue that point for ever. I eagerly am waiting for GTL and GTR2,
>>I bought rFactor on the first day and stopped playing it weeks ago. I
>>just
>>can't get into the "fake" cars and tracks( I know there are 2 tracks out
>>there and the 3000 mod). GTR as well as GTL has 25 times the content and
>>IMHO feels much more like "real" racing to me. Just one man's opinion and
>>I am not taking sides, I support those that support sim racing and ISI
>>obviously does that. Just not my cup of tea with rFactor.

>> Chad

>>>> I'm surprised anyone is even interested in GTL or GTR2 - they are no
>>>> more than mods for rFactor and not even as good!

>>>>> its official, gtr2 is in development :o)
>>>>> http://www.blimeygames.com/games.php

>>> It's becoming another EA sports thing for ps2, they put out a new game
>>> every year just to sell more games.. Why not make an update to the old
>>> one and get more people to buy it that way..

by **Chad Roger** » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:36:46

"It just seems like a waste of money to me unless the cars in GTL hold a
VERY special place in your heart."

Is there any racing fan here that a car or two or three in GTL doesn't hold
a special place in their heart? I would guess no, not nearly as much fun as
a 4wd Houston or ....
I don't mean to bash rFactor, but the sims are not even comparable at this
point. Rfactor has 1/20th of the content. The Formula cars are a joke, the
***pits in the sports cars look like the inside of my taurus. The only
real fun I had with it was in the trainers which I think are very well done.

Chad

>I sure didn't get taken for a ride by Simbin, I played GTR for 6 straight
>months, I barely played rFactor for 6 days before it became boring. I have
>great hope for modders, but what does that have to do with how good rFactor
>is right now.
> As for your proper simmer comments they are laughable, have a look around
> the net and see where most of the world top simmers are....GTR. Some are
> still running 2003, and I will bet there will be plenty running GTL, a
> hell of a lot more than will be running rFactor.

> Chad

>> Well, there is no doubt that real life tracks and cars have a definate
>> novelty value. GPL is an excellent example - it conveyed the awesome
>> tracks
>> and cars of the day brilliantly. It was also, more importantly, a
>> complete
>> game and in no way alpha or beta code.

>> As far as GTL and GTR2 goes, first of all Simbin took us all for a
>> ride.
>> Once bitten........................

>> Secondly, the novelty of real life stuff soon disappears and all that
>> remains is either a great simming experience or an unsatisfying,
>> frustrating
>> experience eg. GTR. rFactor has plenty to keep me going as it is for at
>> least 6 months, but the reality is that in the next 6 months there will
>> be a
>> ton of tracks and mods relesed for it. Even taking my dislike for Simbin
>> out
>> of the equation, I see no reason to fork out for GTL or GTR2 when rFactor
>> will no doubt dish up the same and in a proven format as well. It just
>> seems
>> like a waste of money to me unless the cars in GTL hold a VERY special
>> place
>> in your heart.

>> The above is the attitude of someone only interested in online league
>> racing ie a proper simmer! LOL

>>>I would argue that point for ever. I eagerly am waiting for GTL and
>>>GTR2,
>>>I bought rFactor on the first day and stopped playing it weeks ago. I
>>>just
>>>can't get into the "fake" cars and tracks( I know there are 2 tracks out
>>>there and the 3000 mod). GTR as well as GTL has 25 times the content and
>>>IMHO feels much more like "real" racing to me. Just one man's opinion
>>>and
>>>I am not taking sides, I support those that support sim racing and ISI
>>>obviously does that. Just not my cup of tea with rFactor.

>>> Chad

>>>>> I'm surprised anyone is even interested in GTL or GTR2 - they are
>>>>> no
>>>>> more than mods for rFactor and not even as good!

>>>>>> its official, gtr2 is in development :o)
>>>>>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>>>> It's becoming another EA sports thing for ps2, they put out a new game
>>>> every year just to sell more games.. Why not make an update to the old
>>>> one and get more people to buy it that way..

by **RodP** » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:39:42

01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>,
Byron Forbes says...

Wouldn't particularly bother me. I doubt there will be any mods that are
modelled to the detail that simbin have modelled GTL. As far as I know
there are none currently in the pipeline so forking out for GTL is a no
brainer for me.

Cheers,
Rod.

by **Bruc** » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:12:23

"Novelty value" for real-life and/or historical tracks???
"Soon disappears"???
Maybe for some, Byron (including yourself), but for many of us out here,
the "novelty value" sits with the fantasy circuits, not the genuine article.

For one who was first grabbed by F1 back in the early sixties, I have
far more affinity with a real circuit than I do a fictional item.
Same goes for cars.

Part of the historical simming experience is pretence and I would rather
be in Fantasyland when attempting to control a Lotus Elise around the
Nordschliefe than in a Zoomer Mk IV blasting down pit straight on the
Mozarella International Autodrome.

Bruce

> Well, there is no doubt that real life tracks and cars have a definate
> novelty value.