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>Some things that bug me in rFactor.. The FF cars on almost every turn
>the wheels smoke.. I don't know why and the AI players don't have this
>happening when we're all taking the same lines. Also to get money the
>"regular" way by earning it takes way too long. Car that used to take
>$23k to buy resells for less than $2000... The upgrades themselves don't
>  list a resell value so always a risk when upgrading and selling
>certain things. The game came with only 4 cars?? Seems kind of
>pathetic.. Even though there are a lot of fan based release of cars and
>tracks.. Perhaps I should at least give the ring a go before I make more
>comments about user tracks.. Tsukuba was made very poorly.. The bump
>strips at Sugo caught my wheels and threw me off track..

>Also... I have the same feeling as I have now about the wheel or just
>car physics.. Whats going on with the massive understeer even after a
>lot of braking? Or.. for FR cars the tail slides out and even with
>proper countersteering and e brake or whatever other method for spin
>recovery it still spins out..? Seems like the only thing they got okay
>is AWD.. Even still the torque distribution on the AWD cannot be
>adjusted, etc etc.. Nor is there fine tuning of the LSD.. The numbers
>for tuning roll by 5s or 10s or 15s.. Uh.. How come not like 1s and
>0.X's? Even with "full" race package not all the settings can be
>adjusted. Not to mention there are only 4 cars...

>If anyone wants rFactor I'll sell you my copy.

>GTR2 was amazing. Just a overall fun game and very educational. Its been
>a while since a game actually teaches how to drive.. RBR did okay but
>not good enough. GT's tutorials are amazing (GT on PS2). Forza had
>NOTHING! Then again what can you expect out of console games?

>Which reminds me... I also played TOCA 3 yesterday... Yeahh.... Did you
>know you can plunge into a tight hairpin at 100mph and exit at 70mph
>without losing ANY traction what so ever? This is with the so called
>"simulation" settings on realistic. Its pretty sad that there is
>embedded traction control and stability control and the cars turn on a
>dime without any modifications and even with modifications... The tuning
>in the game goes on its own scale not like tire pressure in PSI or kPa
>but more like from -2 to 2 (something like that). Ride height from 0 to
>whatever... 0 being your actually on the ground? So the numbers don't
>make much sense... It was fun, however, to get those suspension damage
>going over the bump strips a lot, haha.. Refreshing that damage is in
>this game when everything else is just like Burnout (no joke).

>GTR2 feels better than all the games here though.. The ability to
>actually recover from a spin.. Cars can actually turn in and the wheels
>don't freaking smoke on all turns.. I wonder why I even bothered trying
>rFactor.. Is it really THAT great compared to GTR2?

>Lastly Live for Speed is alright as well.. But again, $45 for just a
>handful of cars? Additionally its still BETA? Give me a break...
>Hopefully someone will just crack version U so I can go see why that
>Sauber is so cool. :)

>GTR2 - <$30 USD
>LFS  - $45 USD
>rFactor - $40

>RBR - FREE!!! HAHAHAHA (oh wait, oops...)

>I salute those who actually bought RBR.

>Unlike last time where I only critized rFactor this time I got GTR2 as a
>comparison. Don't all the rFactor fanboys flame me all at once. :)

>GTR is KING!!! KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> GP

>>Played a bit of GTR2 yesterday.. Compared to that $40 I've spent on
>>rFactor.. Seeing how GTR2 is less than $30.. Not to mention TONS better.
>>I can't help but to feel ripped off.

>>Some things that bug me in rFactor.. The FF cars on almost every turn
>>the wheels smoke.. I don't know why and the AI players don't have this
>>happening when we're all taking the same lines. Also to get money the
>>"regular" way by earning it takes way too long. Car that used to take
>>$23k to buy resells for less than $2000... The upgrades themselves don't
>>  list a resell value so always a risk when upgrading and selling
>>certain things. The game came with only 4 cars?? Seems kind of
>>pathetic.. Even though there are a lot of fan based release of cars and
>>tracks.. Perhaps I should at least give the ring a go before I make more
>>comments about user tracks.. Tsukuba was made very poorly.. The bump
>>strips at Sugo caught my wheels and threw me off track..

>>Also... I have the same feeling as I have now about the wheel or just
>>car physics.. Whats going on with the massive understeer even after a
>>lot of braking? Or.. for FR cars the tail slides out and even with
>>proper countersteering and e brake or whatever other method for spin
>>recovery it still spins out..? Seems like the only thing they got okay
>>is AWD.. Even still the torque distribution on the AWD cannot be
>>adjusted, etc etc.. Nor is there fine tuning of the LSD.. The numbers
>>for tuning roll by 5s or 10s or 15s.. Uh.. How come not like 1s and
>>0.X's? Even with "full" race package not all the settings can be
>>adjusted. Not to mention there are only 4 cars...

>>If anyone wants rFactor I'll sell you my copy.

>>GTR2 was amazing. Just a overall fun game and very educational. Its been
>>a while since a game actually teaches how to drive.. RBR did okay but
>>not good enough. GT's tutorials are amazing (GT on PS2). Forza had
>>NOTHING! Then again what can you expect out of console games?

>>Which reminds me... I also played TOCA 3 yesterday... Yeahh.... Did you
>>know you can plunge into a tight hairpin at 100mph and exit at 70mph
>>without losing ANY traction what so ever? This is with the so called
>>"simulation" settings on realistic. Its pretty sad that there is
>>embedded traction control and stability control and the cars turn on a
>>dime without any modifications and even with modifications... The tuning
>>in the game goes on its own scale not like tire pressure in PSI or kPa
>>but more like from -2 to 2 (something like that). Ride height from 0 to
>>whatever... 0 being your actually on the ground? So the numbers don't
>>make much sense... It was fun, however, to get those suspension damage
>>going over the bump strips a lot, haha.. Refreshing that damage is in
>>this game when everything else is just like Burnout (no joke).

>>GTR2 feels better than all the games here though.. The ability to
>>actually recover from a spin.. Cars can actually turn in and the wheels
>>don't freaking smoke on all turns.. I wonder why I even bothered trying
>>rFactor.. Is it really THAT great compared to GTR2?

>>Lastly Live for Speed is alright as well.. But again, $45 for just a
>>handful of cars? Additionally its still BETA? Give me a break...
>>Hopefully someone will just crack version U so I can go see why that
>>Sauber is so cool. :)

>>GTR2 - <$30 USD
>>LFS  - $45 USD
>>rFactor - $40

>>RBR - FREE!!! HAHAHAHA (oh wait, oops...)

>>I salute those who actually bought RBR.

>>Unlike last time where I only critized rFactor this time I got GTR2 as a
>>comparison. Don't all the rFactor fanboys flame me all at once. :)

>>GTR is KING!!! KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Some things that bug me in rFactor.. The FF cars on almost every turn
> the wheels smoke.. I don't know why and the AI players don't have this
> happening when we're all taking the same lines.

>> Some things that bug me in rFactor.. The FF cars on almost every turn
>> the wheels smoke.. I don't know why and the AI players don't have this
>> happening when we're all taking the same lines.

>     It is obvious to me that you are braking too hard. Or your
> controller isn't calibrated properly. Or it's just a cheap POS that
> isn't doing you any favours.

>>  Also to get money the
>> "regular" way by earning it takes way too long. Car that used to take
>> $23k to buy resells for less than $2000... The upgrades themselves don't
>>   list a resell value so always a risk when upgrading and selling
>> certain things.

>     There are at least two -- well-known -- work-arounds to get more
> money. OK, you do have to check some on-line sites to find them, but
> I'll bet not everything in GTR2 is in the user manual either.

>> The game came with only 4 cars?? Seems kind of
>> pathetic..

>     See above. As well as more money, you can give yourself more
> "experience" so that all the other cars become available.

>> Even though there are a lot of fan based release of cars and
>> tracks.. Perhaps I should at least give the ring a go before I make more
>> comments about user tracks..

>     Maybe you should give a number of tracks a "go" before making more
> comments.

>> Tsukuba was made very poorly..

>     Some tracks are poorly done. So, don't use them. There are LOTS of
> others.

>> The bump
>> strips at Sugo caught my wheels and threw me off track..

>     Gee, ever tried that in real life? Some rumble strips *do* drag
> your tires and pull you to the side. On a lot of tracks, drivers stay
> well away from the rumble strips for that very reason. On other tracks,
> and I guess Monza is the most famous, cars regularly ride the curbs
> because they *don't* grab your tires and pull you off-course.

>> Also... I have the same feeling as I have now about the wheel or just
>> car physics.. Whats going on with the massive understeer even after a
>> lot of braking?

>    Setup?

>> Or.. for FR cars the tail slides out and even with
>> proper countersteering and e brake or whatever other method for spin
>> recovery it still spins out..? Seems like the only thing they got okay
>> is AWD.. Even still the torque distribution on the AWD cannot be
>> adjusted, etc etc.. Nor is there fine tuning of the LSD.. The numbers
>> for tuning roll by 5s or 10s or 15s.. Uh.. How come not like 1s and
>> 0.X's? Even with "full" race package not all the settings can be
>> adjusted.

>     It's just not a perfect world, is it?

>> Not to mention there are only 4 cars...

>     Yeah, right! And it would be four MODS, not four cars. If what you
> say even was correct. (OK, I'm being a *** and nit-picking.)

>> If anyone wants rFactor I'll sell you my copy.

>     The game would be well served by having you quit playing it anyway,
> so I hope someone buys it soon.