rec.autos.simulators

by **Marn** » Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:07:34

Whats the difference from GTR ???
;-)

Martin

by **Ludwi** » Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:21:49

> Whats the difference from GTR ???
> ;-)

> Martin

The tire modelling feels entirely new. Low speed grip is as one would
suppose race slicks to respond, in contrast to GTR1 which was akin to
ice-skating. In my humble opinion there is nothing to touch it.

It looks substantially better yet suffers no FPS issues on my system.
The rain and reflections are striking in particular.

The AI is excellent.

It's stable.

by **Dave Henri** » Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:25:53

>> Whats the difference from GTR ???
>> ;-)

>> Martin

> The tire modelling feels entirely new. Low speed grip is as one would
> suppose race slicks to respond, in contrast to GTR1 which was akin to
> ice-skating. In my humble opinion there is nothing to touch it.

> It looks substantially better yet suffers no FPS issues on my system.
> The rain and reflections are striking in particular.

> The AI is excellent.

> It's stable.

GTR used the newest available Gmotor physics engine from ISI, but the
graphics and netcode were
pre rFactor so they didn't have top shelf performance in those areas.
GTR2 uses the latest Graphcis and hopefully the fixes to the net code
ISI derived for rF.

Think of the old USA advertising slogan...
New and Improved.

dave henrie

by **Byron Forbe** » Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:44:52

With luck, this one will work. With more luck, it might actually work
out of the box rather than when version 1.128564 of the patch is released.
Don't go near any "German only" release!

by **FooAtar** » Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:44:32

It's easier :) Straight away I thought of TOCA RD 3.

No aids, yet its damn near impossible to lock the brakes, can push the
throttle really hard to the floor while come out of a tight corner and not
spin, can brake and turn in far to late and still make the corners :(

by **cosmo_kram..** » Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:41:46

> > Whats the difference from GTR ???
> > ;-)

> > Martin

> It's easier :) Straight away I thought of TOCA RD 3.

> No aids, yet its damn near impossible to lock the brakes, can push the
> throttle really hard to the floor while come out of a tight corner and not
> spin, can brake and turn in far to late and still make the corners :(

Running in simulation mode, I am not really seeing these issues.
Before I switched the demo to simulation mode, I was manually turning
off aids. Yet I always had the feeling that some/all of them were
still enabled. So defeinitely make sure you are running the demo in
simulation mode - where the aids are not even an option.

I am loving the GTR2 demo so far. With the files being un-encrypted,
it has been opened up so that all 6 of the demo cars are now drivable
(with an exe patch). Also, all of the GTL tracks are working perfectly
with the demo, so I now have a quite complete product, while the retail
game will not be available until at least September! The only thing
missing is multi-player - which isn't too bad for me, as I am still
stuck on dial-up 56k.

If you like GTL, you'll like GTR2. If you hate GTL, you'll likely feel
the same way about GTR2, as the underlining game engines are very
similar. This is, of course, evident by the fact that GTR2 cars can be
run in GTL, and GTL tracks can be run in GTR2. I haven't tried running
the GTL cars in GTR2, as I guess there'd really be no point to that!
:o)

-CK

by **pdot..** » Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:05:18

How do you enable simulation mode?

Pat Dotson

> Running in simulation mode, I am not really seeing these issues.
> Before I switched the demo to simulation mode, I was manually turning
> off aids. Yet I always had the feeling that some/all of them were

by **Alan L** » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:02:54

I ran sim mode briefly in the Lambo and noticed an unusually high stick
factor, particularly out back, but I think it may be partly due to the stock
setup.

What are the 6 additional demo cars, and where might I find the exe patch?
Forgive me for not looking myself, but I have very little free time. In
fact, I probably won't be able to play the demo again (hacked or not) for
awhile, but when I do find a few minutes, I'd love to be able to quickly
gain access to a few extra cars.

Alan

by **Remco Moed** » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:16:59

Realism->Difficulty set this to simulation

Cheers!

Remco

by **Bob Simpso** » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:26:01

I'm not a very fast Sim driver, but my impression is that in GTR, once
you reach the limit of traction and slide sideways AT ALL, you spin, no
matter what kind of correction that you try. Maybe that's accurate,
but I doubt it.

In GTR2, when I start to slide, I can correct it, despite having gotten
out of shape.

by **cosmo_kram..** » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:47:50

> What are the 6 additional demo cars, and where might I find the exe patch?
> Forgive me for not looking myself, but I have very little free time. In
> fact, I probably won't be able to play the demo again (hacked or not) for
> awhile, but when I do find a few minutes, I'd love to be able to quickly
> gain access to a few extra cars.

> Alan

There are 6 total cars available. The 2 standard cars (Lambo and
F575), while the other 4 can be "unlocked" (Saleen, F550, Viper, and
Lister Storm). Find the hacked EXE's via RSC's GTR2 forum.

If you have GTL, you can run all add-on tracks (non GTL original
tracks) very easily in GTR2 demo. Simply copy the contents of your
locations\shared directory from GTL into GTR2. Then copy your tracks
over to GTR2. The original GTL tracks can be made to work also, but
I'll refer you once again to the RSC forums for more information on
that.

Let me know if you need help.

by **Larr** » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:15:02

When it comes to RSC, links are nice to have.

I appreciate the place, but wandering around there is like wading through
molassas.

-Larry

>> What are the 6 additional demo cars, and where might I find the exe
>> patch?
>> Forgive me for not looking myself, but I have very little free time. In
>> fact, I probably won't be able to play the demo again (hacked or not) for
>> awhile, but when I do find a few minutes, I'd love to be able to quickly
>> gain access to a few extra cars.

>> Alan

> There are 6 total cars available. The 2 standard cars (Lambo and
> F575), while the other 4 can be "unlocked" (Saleen, F550, Viper, and
> Lister Storm). Find the hacked EXE's via RSC's GTR2 forum.

> If you have GTL, you can run all add-on tracks (non GTL original
> tracks) very easily in GTR2 demo. Simply copy the contents of your
> locations\shared directory from GTL into GTR2. Then copy your tracks
> over to GTR2. The original GTL tracks can be made to work also, but
> I'll refer you once again to the RSC forums for more information on
> that.

> Let me know if you need help.

by **Tony Rickar** » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:31:26

> When it comes to RSC, links are nice to have.

Running GTL tracks in GTR2:

http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=261206

Selecting to drive one of all six GTR2 demo cars:

http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=261193

Cheers
Tony

by **Larr** » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:50:47

Thanks!

-Larry

>> When it comes to RSC, links are nice to have.

> Running GTL tracks in GTR2:

> http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=261206

> Selecting to drive one of all six GTR2 demo cars:

> http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=261193

> Cheers
> Tony

by **Jeff Rei** » Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:21:21

Well based on some forum posts, if the real car has Traction Control
and ABS, then those assists will be on for the game car regardless
of the player's settings.

What I noticed is that you can't lock up the brakes, but you can
spin the cars, and you can recover much better than you could in GTR.
Not having driven a real GTR car, I don't know which is more realistic,
but there have been a lot of videos made by Tiff of Top Gear / 5th Gear
power sliding in just about every race car made, including a Ferrari
F1 race car.