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N2 Patch Papyrus please answer

Patrick Woole

N2 Patch Papyrus please answer

by Patrick Woole » Sat, 08 Mar 1997 04:00:00

Does anyone know what will be fixed in the N2 patch? Also will there be
any expansion packs or feature upgrades (sunglare, anti-alaising, double
file restarts) for Nascar 2?    
-Pat

Rolling Thund

N2 Patch Papyrus please answer

by Rolling Thund » Sun, 09 Mar 1997 04:00:00


>Does anyone know what will be fixed in the N2 patch? Also will there be
>any expansion packs or feature upgrades (sunglare, anti-alaising, double
>file restarts) for Nascar 2?        
>-Pat

I don't think there is a patch or will be one anytime soon. Thats the
main reason for NOT giving a target date or listing the problems to be
fixed.  FACTS are FACTS. There is NO DATE (cause there is no schedule)
There is no LIST of problems to be fixed or they would tell us.( There
is no reason not to let us know what is being repaired) And there is
NO answer from PAPYRUS cause were ( like a car out of fuel) being
stalled.

Prove me wrong. Show me a patch!!!!!!   -----No more excuses.....

Mike Schreine

N2 Patch Papyrus please answer

by Mike Schreine » Sun, 09 Mar 1997 04:00:00



> >Does anyone know what will be fixed in the N2 patch? Also will there be
> >any expansion packs or feature upgrades (sunglare, anti-alaising, double
> >file restarts) for Nascar 2?
> >-Pat

> I don't think there is a patch or will be one anytime soon. Thats the
> main reason for NOT giving a target date or listing the problems to be
> fixed.  FACTS are FACTS. There is NO DATE (cause there is no schedule)
> There is no LIST of problems to be fixed or they would tell us.( There
> is no reason not to let us know what is being repaired) And there is
> NO answer from PAPYRUS cause were ( like a car out of fuel) being
> stalled.

> Prove me wrong. Show me a patch!!!!!!   -----No more excuses.....

I could have sworn I saw a post by one of the Papy guys a month ago that
they were gonna fix the standing files so the off line leagues would be
able to continue, a few AI problems at certain tracks, and a save game.

But then again I could be wrong.

Mick in Tampa
--

Mike Schreiner
http://pages.prodigy.com/CNSRL      #3 = #8 in '97!!!!!!!!!!!!

SimRaci

N2 Patch Papyrus please answer

by SimRaci » Sun, 09 Mar 1997 04:00:00

The reason a date hasn't been given, is because Papyrus doesn't want to
set a date only to miss it - and then have people (such as yourself) flame
them to no end.  They have indeed mentioned the problems to be addressed,
and have also said that instead of two patches, that there will be one
with
the major eye-sores fixed.  I would rather get most items fixed in one,
than
having to wait for the next...

I don't understand why you think they're sitting on their collective
butts...be
patient, and the patches will get here when they get here.

Best Regards,

Marc

Marc J. Nelson
Sim Racing News - USA
http://members.aol.com/simracing

Mr.

N2 Patch Papyrus please answer

by Mr. » Sun, 09 Mar 1997 04:00:00


> > I don't think there is a patch or will be one anytime soon. Thats the
> > main reason for NOT giving a target date or listing the problems to be
> > fixed.  FACTS are FACTS. There is NO DATE (cause there is no schedule)
> > There is no LIST of problems to be fixed or they would tell us.( There
> > is no reason not to let us know what is being repaired) And there is
> > NO answer from PAPYRUS cause were ( like a car out of fuel) being
> > stalled.

> > Prove me wrong. Show me a patch!!!!!!   -----No more excuses.....

> The reason a date hasn't been given, is because Papyrus doesn't want to
> set a date only to miss it - and then have people (such as yourself) flame
> them to no end.  They have indeed mentioned the problems to be addressed,
> and have also said that instead of two patches, that there will be one
> with
> the major eye-sores fixed.  I would rather get most items fixed in one,
> than
> having to wait for the next...

> I don't understand why you think they're sitting on their collective
> butts...be
> patient, and the patches will get here when they get here.

> Best Regards,

> Marc

> Marc J. Nelson
> Sim Racing News - USA
> http://members.aol.com/simracing

Yes...and they will call the patch NASCAR 3!!!!!!!  And guess what?  The
PATCH will only cost $50 or so!  Looks like Sierra has destroyed another
fine company....too bad.

Mr. B

Edward L. Burke, II

N2 Patch Papyrus please answer

by Edward L. Burke, II » Sun, 09 Mar 1997 04:00:00

I just spoke to Papyrus support last week and asked them about the save
game fix.  They said they have NO plans for an update.  Speaking from
experience (being in the software dev business), this is probably not the
most popular stance to take but it's the safest.  By that I mean we have
quoted release dates and have missed them and had to suffer the user
*** mob for non-delivery.

Anyway, I can't say I agree with the policy (speaking as a user) but I
can understand it (speaking as an employee of a dev house).

Jim Sokolo

N2 Patch Papyrus please answer

by Jim Sokolo » Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:00:00

On Sat, 08 Mar 1997 12:20:00 -0800, "Edward L. Burke, III"


>I just spoke to Papyrus support last week and asked them about the save
>game fix.  They said they have NO plans for an update.

That's still the "official company line" and indeed is probably all
the tech support people know. (Since they're now on the West Coast,
3300 miles west of my office instead of in the next room 300 inches
from my office. :-) )

Yep; been there, done that. Seriously though, software is not a 100%
predictable thing. And the unpredictability is almost all negative.
(Very rarely do I say "That will take me a month" and then finish it
in a day. Much more often I say "That will take a day" and then finish
it in close to a month...) So we don't withhold release dates of
patches to be coy, we do it because we don't want to give a mistaken
impression to our users, only to miss that date.

---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

ccorpor

N2 Patch Papyrus please answer

by ccorpor » Tue, 11 Mar 1997 04:00:00

For the record I've talked with a programmer at Papy several times. His part
of "The Patch" is done. He stated that most is well and that there have been
some additions above the manual. Since he seems to be waiting he's looking
into adding some more stufffff. There will be even another patch for NRO, with
even some more fixes along with the code for NRO.

There's a patch, when it's released is the ?.

Q.B.M.


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