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by **Ed Solhei** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:34:51

What a race! :-)

Well all right... we still got a some way to go in therms of yellows... but
I really do see some progress being made :-)
Unfortunatly I was'nt able to save replay nor results so I dont have the
ecaxt results at hand.... but I think we had 10 cautions - including the
one in the last corner...

I had a very good race - although I should have had a better result as the
"##& sim f****d up and gave me a "bogus black flag"; Unfortunatly I
messed up and exceeded the pitspeed during a stop.... I was trying real
hard to get out into the lead again... - too hard actually, as I got BF for
speeding. Anyway, that was not a big deal to me... I went to the end of the
longest line and waited...And that's when the shit hit the fan... Suddenly
my spotter tells me to let "the 99 car go by"... only problem was that the
99 car *was* ahead of me.... not only that he was 3 laps down too... So
whitout no hope of getting it clearded I got a BF and had to stop - twice -
'cause the sim goofed up and started working on my car... In the end I
goofed up again and speed once again... and before I knew it... I was 3 laps
down.. :-/

I tried my best to grab them back without ruining anyone's race.. and with
some co-operation from the leaders I slowly managed to crawl my way back up
the field... By lap 100 of the 120 I was back on the lead lap...
And with fresh tired on the last green - I tried my best to get into the top
5 - having an awesome fight with Jurjen, Bluestringer and Larry. I just
drove the hell out of the car trying my best to get by any of them - with
out screwing up... but those guys put on a real hard clean fight and in
the end I had to settle for 7th or 8th I think...
I was passed Bluestinger at one point too.... but he fought back and got by
me then very next lap... Toward the end of the 17 lap stint my RF-was
really gone and I had a big push out of 2 and 4.

Even though the evening didn't go quite as planned....I had a great time...
I had a lousy start of the evening too... as my throttle spring broke prior
to the race... and I had to install a new one.... I just managed to make
it... having to drop qual in order to get things in order...

In all the fuzz and cuzz... I even forgot what key to press in 'TS' too - so
I had a hard time trying to talk to the others.... I must have been going
"hallo" for the first 30 laps or so - testing every key on my keyboard...
LOL!

Anyway... con'grats to Neil for winning and to everybody else for finishing.

Oh - sorry Uwe - I really didnt mean to***up on that re-start... I
wasn't expecting you to slow that early - although I should seen it coming.
I got a good start and Don got a poor one so I went low to get by him..
I hope we can get some rules to avoid things like that in the future...
nontheless... *my bad*.

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ed_
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$10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC

by **Don Dodg** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:57:27

I'm so glad that you apologized to Uwe for putting me out of the race
when I was leading, Ed. A simple rule would be: Don't f**king run into
cars that are ahead of you, no matter how goddam eager you are to get
into the lead in the first corner of a restart. How about that one?

We (Uwe and myself) were two a*** going into the first corner of a
restart. That means you cannot pass there and have to slow down - how
difficult is that to understand? Does it take a rule?

Don D in KC, someone who didn't finish, and didn't even get the
courtesy of an apology.

by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:08:09

Track: NEW HAMPSHIRE INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY
Date: 09/13/03

Session: Practice

P # DRIVER TIME
1 27 BOster 30.470
2 103 JurjenvanderLelij 30.516
3 19 DaveGF 30.583
4 83 grubbat 30.586
5 96 Neil__C 30.691
6 98 LTB-Racer 30.714
7 99 Elrikk 30.769
8 86 86_k_roberts 30.772
9 7 Dick-Trickle 30.794
10 42 bluestringer 30.843
11 1 Mitch_A 30.875
12 39 jsterner 30.921
13 67 UweSchuerkamp 30.971
14 9 studmonkey 30.994
15 17 j_verschue_RAS 31.013
16 04 DDodge 31.111
17 92 steve whitty 31.533
18 170 joonjoonli 32.332

Weather: Clear, 70 F, North 0 mph

Session: Qualifying

P # DRIVER TIME
1 7 Dick-Trickle 30.568
2 103 JurjenvanderLelij 30.593
3 27 BOster 30.763
4 99 Elrikk 30.779
5 96 Neil__C 30.794
6 83 grubbat 30.835
7 98 LTB-Racer 30.864
8 17 j_verschue_RAS 30.889
9 19 DaveGF 30.916
10 42 bluestringer 30.939
11 86 86_k_roberts 31.013
12 67 UweSchuerkamp 31.253
13 04 DDodge 31.353
14 92 steve whitty 31.398
15 39 jsterner 31.583
16 1 Mitch_A 32.033
17 5 Ed Solheim --
18 170 joonjoonli --
19 9 studmonkey --

Weather: Clear, 70 F, North 0 mph

Session: Happy Hour

P # DRIVER TIME
1 103 JurjenvanderLelij 30.600
2 83 grubbat 30.601
3 98 LTB-Racer 30.706
4 42 bluestringer 30.829
5 17 j_verschue_RAS 30.880
6 96 Neil__C 30.911
7 86 86_k_roberts 30.931
8 1 Mitch_A 31.016
9 99 Elrikk 31.115
10 7 Dick-Trickle 31.223
11 92 steve whitty 31.339
12 04 DDodge 31.462
13 39 jsterner 31.635
14 67 UweSchuerkamp 32.010
15 170 joonjoonli 32.222
16 27 BOster 52.739

Weather: Clear, 70 F, North 0 mph

Session: Race
OFFICIAL STANDINGS

F S # DRIVER INTERVAL LAPS LED POINTS STATUS
1 5 96 Neil__C 83.315 120 35* 185 Running
2 1 7 Dick-Trickle -0.16 120 8 175 Running
3 11 86 86_k_roberts -1.63 120 0 165 Running
4 9 19 DaveGF -6.01 120 0 160 Running
5 2 103 JurjenvanderLelij -6.61 120 5 160 Running
6 10 42 bluestringer -6.99 120 25 155 Running
7 17 5 Ed Solheim -7.19 120 15 151 Running
8 7 98 LTB-Racer -10.01 120 0 142 Running
9 8 17 j_verschue_RAS -10.54 120 0 138 Running
10 16 1 Mitch_A -16.26 120 22 139 Running
11 14 92 steve whitty -17.91 120 0 130 Running
12 6 83 grubbat -1L 119 0 127 Running
13 4 99 Elrikk -3L 117 0 124 Running
14 15 39 jsterner -6L 114 0 121 Running
15 13 04 DDodge -87L 33 4 123 Accident
16 3 27 BOster -88L 32 6 120 Retired
17 12 67 UweSchuerkamp -89L 31 0 112 Retired
18 18 170 joonjoonli -105L 15 0 109 Disco

Caution Flags: 12 (45 laps)
Lead Changes: 8 (8 drivers)
Weather: Clear, 70 F, North 0 mph
Pitstop Frequency: 1x

PENALTIES
LAP # INFRACTION PENALTY
14 99 Entering closed pits Go to end of longest line
19 67 Entering closed pits Go to end of longest line
30 83 Unsafe pit exit Go to end of longest line
34 04 Entering closed pits Go to end of longest line
46 99 Entering closed pits Go to end of longest line
48 5 Speeding in pits Go to end of longest line
48 5 Unsafe pit exit Go to end of longest line
50 5 Passing under yellow Held for 45 seconds
54 5 Speeding in pits Drive through pit lane
73 99 Entering closed pits Go to end of longest line
77 19 Unsafe pit exit Go to end of longest line
101 39 Failure to pit Go to end of longest line
101 39 Passing under yellow Held for 4 seconds
121 83 Passing under yellow Held for 1 seconds

David G Fisher

"Ed Solheim" <some...@microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:3f63a8cd$1@news.broadpark.no...

> What a race! :-)

> Well all right... we still got a some way to go in therms of yellows...
but
> I really do see some progress being made :-)
> Unfortunatly I was'nt able to save replay nor results so I dont have the
> ecaxt results at hand.... but I think we had 10 cautions - including the
> one in the last corner...

> I had a very good race - although I should have had a better result as the
> "##& sim f****d up and gave me a "bogus black flag"; Unfortunatly I
> messed up and exceeded the pitspeed during a stop.... I was trying real
> hard to get out into the lead again... - too hard actually, as I got BF
for
> speeding. Anyway, that was not a big deal to me... I went to the end of
the
> longest line and waited...And that's when the shit hit the fan...
Suddenly
> my spotter tells me to let "the 99 car go by"... only problem was that the
> 99 car *was* ahead of me.... not only that he was 3 laps down too... So
> whitout no hope of getting it clearded I got a BF and had to stop -
twice -
> 'cause the sim goofed up and started working on my car... In the end I
> goofed up again and speed once again... and before I knew it... I was 3
laps
> down.. :-/

> I tried my best to grab them back without ruining anyone's race.. and with
> some co-operation from the leaders I slowly managed to crawl my way back
up
> the field... By lap 100 of the 120 I was back on the lead lap...
> And with fresh tired on the last green - I tried my best to get into the
top
> 5 - having an awesome fight with Jurjen, Bluestringer and Larry. I just
> drove the hell out of the car trying my best to get by any of them - with
> out screwing up... but those guys put on a real hard clean fight and in
> the end I had to settle for 7th or 8th I think...
> I was passed Bluestinger at one point too.... but he fought back and got
by
> me then very next lap... Toward the end of the 17 lap stint my RF-was
> really gone and I had a big push out of 2 and 4.

> Even though the evening didn't go quite as planned....I had a great
time...
> I had a lousy start of the evening too... as my throttle spring broke
prior
> to the race... and I had to install a new one.... I just managed to make
> it... having to drop qual in order to get things in order...

> In all the fuzz and cuzz... I even forgot what key to press in 'TS' too -
so
> I had a hard time trying to talk to the others.... I must have been going
> "hallo" for the first 30 laps or so - testing every key on my keyboard...
> LOL!

> Anyway... con'grats to Neil for winning and to everybody else for
finishing.

> Oh - sorry Uwe - I really didnt mean to screw up on that re-start... I
> wasn't expecting you to slow that early - although I should seen it
coming.
> I got a good start and Don got a poor one so I went low to get by him..
> I hope we can get some rules to avoid things like that in the future...
> nontheless... *my bad*.

> --
> ed_
> http://rascar.racesimcentral.com
> -----------------------------------------------
> $10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC

by **Kyle Robert** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:16:41

Uwe slowed down wayyyyyy early going into the corner. Heck, he was still on
the straight when he slowed down, not even to the lights or the 3 marker. I
don't think Ed was at fault there. I punted Jerry(#39) in the same corner
when we tried to slow for Uwe.

Kyle

> I'm so glad that you apologized to Uwe for putting me out of the race
> when I was leading, Ed. A simple rule would be: Don't f**king run into
> cars that are ahead of you, no matter how goddam eager you are to get
> into the lead in the first corner of a restart. How about that one?

> We (Uwe and myself) were two a*** going into the first corner of a
> restart. That means you cannot pass there and have to slow down - how
> difficult is that to understand? Does it take a rule?

> Don D in KC, someone who didn't finish, and didn't even get the
> courtesy of an apology.

> > Anyway... con'grats to Neil for winning and to everybody else for
> > finishing.

> > Oh - sorry Uwe - I really didnt mean to***up on that re-start...
> > I wasn't expecting you to slow that early - although I should seen it
> > coming. I got a good start and Don got a poor one so I went low to get
> > by him.. I hope we can get some rules to avoid things like that in the
> > future... nontheless... *my bad*.

by **Ed Solhei** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:28:24

"Don Dodge" said:

Sorry Don - I had no idea you were taken out aswell.
I have no replay of the race so I dont know what happend or who got caught
in it.

If my actions caused your retirement... I'm very sorry.

I screwed by misjudging Uwe's braking point and gave him what looked like a
"tap" in *my end*, I knew I'd made a fool of myself, but I had no idea who
got caught in it.

Again - I'm sorry.

--
ed_
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-----------------------------------------------
$10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC

> > Anyway... con'grats to Neil for winning and to everybody else for
> > finishing.

> > Oh - sorry Uwe - I really didnt mean to***up on that re-start...
> > I wasn't expecting you to slow that early - although I should seen it
> > coming. I got a good start and Don got a poor one so I went low to get
> > by him.. I hope we can get some rules to avoid things like that in the
> > future... nontheless... *my bad*.

by **BowtNetterToD** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:36:12

Thats sounds very similar to my incident with Jerry Sterner, 100% my fault,
very sorry Jerry and all those behind that got involved.

Cheers Ginger

by **elrik** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:25:32

<snip>

I was bumped in a corner (not sure if it was my fault, [I may have moved
down]) and spun lightly towards the wall; but right at impact the game did a
CTD. I quickly restarted the game and rejoined the server. I got out of
the pits before the yellow laps were complete and that is when the incident
Ed describes above occurs.

My spotter is yelling at me to pass Ed, who as we all know is right behind
me. My position list in the race doesn't show any laps down so I just
figure the game has become fuddled. Then with one lap until green my
spotter says I'm not on the lead lap and to head up the inside line. Other
then my spotter telling me to head to the inside line on subsequent restarts
after yellows I never got any other indication of being laps down for the
rest of the race. My position list never corrected so I had no idea of how
many laps down I might be.

Other then this confusion I actually enjoyed much of the day. ;o)

Elrrikk

PS. I didn't save the replay (because of the CTD earlier) but will download
it when posted on the web site. Will make all due apologies then. ;o)

by **Don Dodg** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:23:35

Accepted, Ed. I was really upset, as I had just inherited the lead for the
first time and didn't even make the first corner of the first green flag
lap before being taken out.

Don D

by **Don Dodg** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:32:59

The car ahead of you has no obligation whatever to go into a corner the way
you want them to - It's your responsibility not to hit them, plain and
simple, as Ed himself admitted. If Uwe, in this instance, didn't want to
race to get his lap or laps back, that's his decision and needn't be
punished with being taken out of the race. In addition, restarts are
always dangerous and one has to be extra careful.

Don D

by **JLe** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:18:40

Despite the yellows i had a great race. I especially enjoyed passing
bluestringer on the outside, running 2 laps side by side. Great racing
bluestringer :-)
My apologies to Jerry Sterner for the punt in T3, *and* for me foolishly
going 3 wide on the backstretch causing me to hit you in the side :(

by **Ed Solhei** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:03:30

"elrikk" said:

I have a sneaky feeling that you should have passed the whole field and then
passed me too, but I'm not quite sure.
Without a replay it's hard to judge what went wrong.

--
ed_

by **Ed Solhei** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:08:31

"JLe" said:

Hehe.... I did the exact same thing - I think! :-)
I most certainly passed one or two cars on the outside of a corner, but I'm
not 1000000% certain that Bluestringer was one of them... --- I think so
but I'm not completely certain that a fact.

Good racing anyway!

--
ed_

by **Steve Whitt** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:36:10

I think this is good example of why my strategy on restarts works. If I'm on
the lead lap, run wide at turn 1 and let them through. On cold tyres on a
restart, early in the race, I'm not going to fight for position. Late in
the race, I've been leaving the door open, but not as much as early in the
race.
Having said that, now that you guys have had a few races to get a look at my
driving and me at yours, I may start to fight for position a bit more.

Steve

> I'm so glad that you apologized to Uwe for putting me out of the race
> when I was leading, Ed. A simple rule would be: Don't f**king run into
> cars that are ahead of you, no matter how goddam eager you are to get
> into the lead in the first corner of a restart. How about that one?

> We (Uwe and myself) were two a*** going into the first corner of a
> restart. That means you cannot pass there and have to slow down - how
> difficult is that to understand? Does it take a rule?

> Don D in KC, someone who didn't finish, and didn't even get the
> courtesy of an apology.

> > Anyway... con'grats to Neil for winning and to everybody else for
> > finishing.

> > Oh - sorry Uwe - I really didnt mean to***up on that re-start...
> > I wasn't expecting you to slow that early - although I should seen it
> > coming. I got a good start and Don got a poor one so I went low to get
> > by him.. I hope we can get some rules to avoid things like that in the
> > future... nontheless... *my bad*.

by **John Simmon** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:31:27

Twelve cautions for 45 laps is "good racing"?

Maybe I have to adjust my definition of both "good" and "racing"...

by **grub** » Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:35:15

Well, since I didn't save the replay either, I dont know who to thank,
who to call to the carpet, or who to blame my mistakes on. I will say this
though, thanks to all you nuts who used the grubbat dodge as a puntee. I
will never again post "damaged and off pace" because its like an open
season to pass/punt. The divebombing was terrible, even on the lapped cars,
the apparent blocking at the start of the race was just ***, and the
cars that were lapped down and racing for postion was just smelly. Several
times it appeared to me the driver in front of me was breakchecking in the
middle of a turn which required me to slam on the brakes.
I had a good run at the beginning and enjoyed the passing and
manuvering. That was fun and it required very good driving skills and a keen
situational awareness of the racing enviroment. (pardon me while i pat the
grub on the back). All of this gentlemanship apparently ended after the
first caution. :(
As usual, all is well as I am fixing the grubat dodge and getting ready
for the next race. The best way to fix all of these things mentioned above
is just to be faster, more consistant than the other guy and then I wont
have to worry about anything......except for divebombing.

grubby

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