rec.autos.simulators

by **NeedToKno** » Sat, 04 Oct 1997 04:00:00

> Nearly 3 weeks have passed since my original post pointing out the
> lack of proper support for the Thrustmaster T2 Steering Wheel
> in X-Car. They blame it on a Thrustmaster T2 "Hardware Defect".

rrevved nails it on the head. Don't buy x-car if you plan on using the
Thrustmaster T1/2. Anyone tried the Nascar Pro? I have read that it
has the capability to program gas and brake on separate axis. Maybe
this will help. Good luck guys12

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by **MORRIS JONES J** » Sun, 05 Oct 1997 04:00:00

> > Nearly 3 weeks have passed since my original post pointing out the
> > lack of proper support for the Thrustmaster T2 Steering Wheel
> > in X-Car. They blame it on a Thrustmaster T2 "Hardware Defect".

> rrevved nails it on the head. Don't buy x-car if you plan on using the
> Thrustmaster T1/2. Anyone tried the Nascar Pro? I have read that it
> has the capability to program gas and brake on separate axis. Maybe
> this will help. Good luck guys12

> "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets
> thedefinition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is
> unlawful to send any unsolicited adverti***t to such equipment.
> BySec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
> punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever
> is greater, for each violation."

i have xcar and have had no problems getting it to work with my T2 , i
just don't like the game that much, but the T2 works fine with it

by **MORRIS JONES J** » Sun, 05 Oct 1997 04:00:00

> >> > Nearly 3 weeks have passed since my original post pointing out the
> >> > lack of proper support for the Thrustmaster T2 Steering Wheel
> >> > in X-Car. They blame it on a Thrustmaster T2 "Hardware Defect".

> >> rrevved nails it on the head. Don't buy x-car if you plan on using the
> >> Thrustmaster T1/2. Anyone tried the Nascar Pro? I have read that it
> >> has the capability to program gas and brake on separate axis. Maybe
> >> this will help. Good luck guys12

> >> "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets
> >> thedefinition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is
> >> unlawful to send any unsolicited adverti***t to such equipment.
> >> BySec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
> >> punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever
> >> is greater, for each violation."

> >i have xcar and have had no problems getting it to work with my T2 , i
> >just don't like the game that much, but the T2 works fine with it

> In X-Car, the T1/T2 have a MASSIVE Dead Zone which prevents
> a competitive setup. This has been admitted by BethSoft. They
> have recommended to not use a Thrustmaster Wheel.

> Challenge:
> 1) Put X-Car in Realistic Mode
> 2) Attempt to consistently drive at a competitive pace.
> 3) Adjust your chassis etc. to attempt to overcome the Dead Zone.
> 4) Report back with your findings.
> --
> / rrevved at mindspring dot com / (s.p.u.t.u.m.(unit.26))
> / "bob"'s ululating hyena battalion, yggdrasil element
> / http://www.racesimcentral.net/

i just can't recreate the dead zone your talking about mine response
very well, not sure if it matters but mine is one of the older T2's

by YJ » Tue, 07 Oct 1997 04:00:00

In Indycar and Nascar there is a setting for linear steering and non-linear
steering. Is X-cars problem the fact that it only supports one or the other,
that being the one for joystick settings(I can't remember which is which). Did
they omit the fact that you need a different setting for decent steering
wheels?

>Nearly 3 weeks have passed since my original post pointing out the
>lack of proper support for the Thrustmaster T2 Steering Wheel
>in X-Car. They blame it on a Thrustmaster T2 "Hardware Defect".

>BETHSOFT, via email, recommended changing to a CH Products
>Steering Wheel, since it is a "much better product".

>It is unbelievable to me that they can't reduce the HUGE Dead-Zone,
>so that the purchasers of X-Car can drive the "sim" competitively.

>Their passing of blame to THRUSTMASTER T2 HARDWARE is unbelievable.

>X-Car's Steering code is BROKEN and is more lame than a VERY lame thing.

>They have neither acknowledged the problem with their program, or
>announced a patch.

>If you are considering the purchase of X-CAR, you have been warned.

>My original post is included.

>>Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators
>>Subject: BETHSOFT: ThrustmasterT2 incompatible with X-CAR - Read!!
>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:09:15 GMT

>>subject: BETHSOFT: ThrustmasterT2 incompatible with X-CAR - Read!!

>>Well folks, the excuse of the decade....

>>BethSoft, makers of X-CAR have now made it official.
>>X-CAR won't work with a Thrustmaster T2 Steering Wheel.
>>They recommend a CH PRODUCTS wheel. I guess that means that
>>the SERIOUS majority of sim-racers won't be able to use X-CAR.

>>If you have tried this crappy game, or its demo, then you know that
>>the steering is very unresponsive as if there is a HUGE dead zone.
>>As all of you know, no amount of tuning/tweaking will stop this.

>>I thought you would be interested in hearing the details of my
>>support request to them and their answer.

>>My email to BETHSOFT:
>>: Hello!
>>:
>>: I bought X-Car and I'm having a LOT of problems with unresponsive
>>: steering. How can I make the dead-zone _much_ smaller? I am using
>>: a Thrustmaster T2. Its as if there is 15-20 degrees of dead zone
>>: and none of the steering changes help the situation. It does this at
>>: all speeds including 20-30mph. My setup works fine in lots of other
>>: sims.. N2/ICR2/GP2/I-76 etc...
>>:
>>: Thanks
>>: rrevved at mindspring dot com
>>================= their response =======================

>>: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 14:44:31 -0500
>>: Subject: Re[2]: Re[2]: X-Car: Steering dead-zone...
>>:
>>:
>>: The problem that you are having with your steering wheel is very common.
We
>>: have tested the T2 with x-car and encountered the same problem. It is not a
>>: problem with the game its the hardware, most of the T2's I've worket with
have a
>>: small to a significant dead zone in them, but cannot be fixed. It's simply
a
>>: hardware defect. If its too big of a problem, I suggest getting a ch
steering
>>: wheel, it's a much better product.
>>: Tech Support
>>==================== end =================================
>--
>/ rrevved at mindspring dot com / (s.p.u.t.u.m.(unit.26))
>/ "bob"'s ululating hyena battalion, yggdrasil element
>/ http://www.sputum.com

by **Richard Knap** » Tue, 07 Oct 1997 04:00:00

> In Indycar and Nascar there is a setting for linear steering and non-linear
> steering. Is X-cars problem the fact that it only supports one or the other,
> that being the one for joystick settings(I can't remember which is which). Did
> they omit the fact that you need a different setting for decent steering
> wheels?

> >Nearly 3 weeks have passed since my original post pointing out the
> >lack of proper support for the Thrustmaster T2 Steering Wheel
> >in X-Car. They blame it on a Thrustmaster T2 "Hardware Defect".

> >BETHSOFT, via email, recommended changing to a CH Products
> >Steering Wheel, since it is a "much better product".

> >It is unbelievable to me that they can't reduce the HUGE Dead-Zone,
> >so that the purchasers of X-Car can drive the "sim" competitively.

> >Their passing of blame to THRUSTMASTER T2 HARDWARE is unbelievable.

> >X-Car's Steering code is BROKEN and is more lame than a VERY lame thing.

> >They have neither acknowledged the problem with their program, or
> >announced a patch.

> >If you are considering the purchase of X-CAR, you have been warned.

> >My original post is included.

> >>Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators
> >>Subject: BETHSOFT: ThrustmasterT2 incompatible with X-CAR - Read!!
> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:09:15 GMT

> >>subject: BETHSOFT: ThrustmasterT2 incompatible with X-CAR - Read!!

> >>Well folks, the excuse of the decade....

> >>BethSoft, makers of X-CAR have now made it official.
> >>X-CAR won't work with a Thrustmaster T2 Steering Wheel.
> >>They recommend a CH PRODUCTS wheel. I guess that means that
> >>the SERIOUS majority of sim-racers won't be able to use X-CAR.

> >>If you have tried this crappy game, or its demo, then you know that
> >>the steering is very unresponsive as if there is a HUGE dead zone.
> >>As all of you know, no amount of tuning/tweaking will stop this.

> >>I thought you would be interested in hearing the details of my
> >>support request to them and their answer.

> >>My email to BETHSOFT:
> >>: Hello!
> >>:
> >>: I bought X-Car and I'm having a LOT of problems with unresponsive
> >>: steering. How can I make the dead-zone _much_ smaller? I am using
> >>: a Thrustmaster T2. Its as if there is 15-20 degrees of dead zone
> >>: and none of the steering changes help the situation. It does this at
> >>: all speeds including 20-30mph. My setup works fine in lots of other
> >>: sims.. N2/ICR2/GP2/I-76 etc...
> >>:
> >>: Thanks
> >>: rrevved at mindspring dot com
> >>================= their response =======================

> >>: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 14:44:31 -0500
> >>: Subject: Re[2]: Re[2]: X-Car: Steering dead-zone...
> >>:
> >>:
> >>: The problem that you are having with your steering wheel is very common.
> We
> >>: have tested the T2 with x-car and encountered the same problem. It is not a
> >>: problem with the game its the hardware, most of the T2's I've worket with
> have a
> >>: small to a significant dead zone in them, but cannot be fixed. It's simply
> a
> >>: hardware defect. If its too big of a problem, I suggest getting a ch
> steering
> >>: wheel, it's a much better product.
> >>: Tech Support
> >>==================== end =================================
> >--
> >/ rrevved at mindspring dot com / (s.p.u.t.u.m.(unit.26))
> >/ "bob"'s ululating hyena battalion, yggdrasil element
> >/ http://www.sputum.com

Those are my thoughts also. What a wasted effort! Funny I thought you
were supposed to be able to actually drive a racing sim, jeez what was
I thinking.

by **John Walla** » Tue, 07 Oct 1997 04:00:00

>Nearly 3 weeks have passed since my original post pointing out the
>lack of proper support for the Thrustmaster T2 Steering Wheel
>in X-Car. They blame it on a Thrustmaster T2 "Hardware Defect".>
>BETHSOFT, via email, recommended changing to a CH Products
>Steering Wheel, since it is a "much better product".

Let's see...

- The T2 doesn't work with XCAR
- The T2 works perfectly with every other sim
- XCAR also exhibits exactly the same defects when using a TSW

Saying that it is the fault of Thruatmaster is seriously trying to
evade the issue, not to mention somewhat damaging to Thrustmaster's
image - I wouldn't be too happy if I worked for Thrustmaster.

Fact is that the problem lies with XCAR, and the way that it reads the
joystick port's input differently to every other sim. I suspect that
it is set-up for a joystick where a dead zone around the centre is a
good thing as precise control is more difficult. This again
contradicts the statement that XCAR is really a "sim" when it expects
a joystick rather than a wheel.

After high hopes for the game it ended up being a let down. A further
let down was Bethesda's failure to ackonwledge that problems exist, or
to do the small amount of work necessary to make it into a reasonably
good product. To then take that a step further and blame that on the
failing of another company is incredible. Especially when that company
holds the lion's share of the sheel/pedal market - surely you would
make doubly sure that your product worked with the most popular
steering system on the market!?!

Oh, that's right - they did. It works fine with joysticks....

Cheers!
John

by Jo » Wed, 08 Oct 1997 04:00:00

If I may be so bold as to make a generalization (this is the net after
all <g>) Bethesda has severe management problems. This is the company
that's been sitting on the world's best hockey similation code for 5
years, doing nothing with it and refusing to let anyone else make them
money with it either (even the latest hockey games like NHL98 are
still years behind the WGH Bethesda code). The comment I got from
someone who knows the company president was "penny wise and pound
foolish".

Joe

by **Simproje** » Wed, 08 Oct 1997 04:00:00

When touring their shops last Feb, I was informed they had
looked forward to continuing the Hockey title, but had lost all
hold to it - Wayne said no, so no-show. =(

Cheers!

Marc

by **NeedToKno** » Mon, 13 Oct 1997 04:00:00

I am still frustrated with X-Car. Their blame placing with Thrustmaster
isn't accurate. I've tested X-Car with two joysticks, and both exhibit
the same problem as my t1. These were the MS Sidewinder, and Gravis
Blackhawk. Don't buy X-Car. The thing that I can't figure though, is
that the first demo that came out in June didn't exhibit the problem(or
I didn't notice[hard to believe]). Anyone else play the first demo?

"By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets
thedefinition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is
unlawful to send any unsolicited adverti***t to such equipment.
BySec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever
is greater, for each violation."

rec.autos.simulators

X-CAR: BethSoft STILL won't properly support ThrustMaster T2.

X-CAR: BethSoft STILL won't properly support ThrustMaster T2.

X-CAR: BethSoft STILL won't properly support ThrustMaster T2.

X-CAR: BethSoft STILL won't properly support ThrustMaster T2.

X-CAR: BethSoft STILL won't properly support ThrustMaster T2.

X-CAR: BethSoft STILL won't properly support ThrustMaster T2.

X-CAR: BethSoft STILL won't properly support ThrustMaster T2.

X-CAR: BethSoft STILL won't properly support ThrustMaster T2.

X-CAR: BethSoft STILL won't properly support ThrustMaster T2.

X-CAR: BethSoft STILL won't properly support ThrustMaster T2.