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GPL - Full length GP at The Glen - Running out of fuel

Ian Hil

GPL - Full length GP at The Glen - Running out of fuel

by Ian Hil » Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:00:00


>Afflicted with GPL madness, I've been running some full length GP's
>offline.   Monza & Silverstone were completed without any problems
>with fuel.

<snip>

Fuel consumption depends on driving style, also on your car setup (esp
gears). The number of laps shown is only approximate, based on an
"average" driving style. I always leave at least 1 "spare" lap even in
rookie races; 4 or 5 laps seems a sensible "fudge factor".

HTH


Michael

GPL - Full length GP at The Glen - Running out of fuel

by Michael » Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:00:00


says...

If you only fill for 109 laps you're only allowing less than 1% safety
margin, given that you use extra fuel in spins, avoiding incidents,
unintentional wheelspin etc. The fuel estimate is just that.

Mind you, I admire your stamina - I could never be bothered to do a whole
GP without an ingame save to break it up.

- Michael

Bruce Kennewel

GPL - Full length GP at The Glen - Running out of fuel

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:00:00

(snip)
So, does anybody know why it takes enough fuel for 112 laps to
(unsnip)

Yes.
Very simple.....it is one or more of the following:-
(a) Leaking fuel tank.
(b) Faulty fuel metering unit.  (Remember...these early Lucas injection
units were not 100% reliable!)  If so, then sack your head mechanic as he
should have discovered this before now.
(c) You have changed the gearing drastically and are revving to 10,000rpm in
5th. yet only travelling at 60 mph.  Check the gearing!
(d) You are driving with the hand-brake on.  Do you smell burning brake
linings?  If so, check the adjustment on the hand-brake.

BK

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Edwin Solhei

GPL - Full length GP at The Glen - Running out of fuel

by Edwin Solhei » Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> Lucas electrics not reliable?  My head mechanic drives a TR-3 & swears
> by Lucas.  He's always right.

Hmmm......  are we talking about the same Lucas here??

I mean.... Lucas - *king of the darkness*.....  - reliabe??

Give me a break!!
<G!>

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Dave Henri

GPL - Full length GP at The Glen - Running out of fuel

by Dave Henri » Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:00:00



> > Lucas electrics not reliable?  My head mechanic drives a TR-3 & > >swears by Lucas.  He's always right.

> Hmmm......  are we talking about the same Lucas here??

> I mean.... Lucas - *king of the darkness*.....  - reliabe??

> Give me a break!!
> <G!>
> --
> All the best,
> Edwin Solheim **remove spamguard in address to reply**

  I just saw one of those Legends of Motor racing shows on Speedvision,
and they had some British Club racing from the late 50's.  At several of
the tracks they had large billboards with LUCAS.  Had no clue til now
that that Brits raced Refrigerators.
dave henrie
Matthew B. P. Knutse

GPL - Full length GP at The Glen - Running out of fuel

by Matthew B. P. Knutse » Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:05:28 -0700,


> >Lucas electrics not reliable?

> That's the reason than the Brits drink warm beer. They
> all have Lucas refrigerators.. :)

> --
> * rrevved at mindspring dot com

A  vacuum cleaner was the only product that Lucas made that did'nt
suck....

Matt :-)

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Asgeir Nesoe

GPL - Full length GP at The Glen - Running out of fuel

by Asgeir Nesoe » Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I must object to this!!!!

The Lucas mechanical injection system was a technical ecclipse of that
time! I think next to all race cars used it, and it was a vast
improvement over carburetted engines.

The Triumph TR5 had a six cylinder, 2 liter engine with Lucas injetion
(PI - Petrol Injection) producing 150 bhp in a road car in 1967 (I think
it was in -67, or was it in 68?)!

If the engine is in fine working order (as were the race car engines),
the lucas injection system performed very well, but it was rather bad
with a worn engine. I have seen triumphs do 24 mpg with Lucas
injection...

One quite interesting point here is that the distance between the
everyday car and the ultimate F1 car was comparatively little when
compared with today. After all, the Lucas injection was developed in -66
or early -67, and it found it's way into the everyday cars after a year
or so!

---Asgeir---
PS: Triumphs were the less expensive alternative in the middle priced
cars back then, and the TR5 was particularly popular, produced in
numbers of 80 000... But they had trouble with the Lucas injection
system, I must admit as much...



> > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:05:28 -0700,


> > >Lucas electrics not reliable?

> > That's the reason than the Brits drink warm beer. They
> > all have Lucas refrigerators.. :)

> > --
> > * rrevved at mindspring dot com

> A  vacuum cleaner was the only product that Lucas made that did'nt
> suck....

> Matt :-)

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Graeme Nas

GPL - Full length GP at The Glen - Running out of fuel

by Graeme Nas » Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I've had similar problems at the Glen. I once did a 17-lap VROC race and
despite filling 18 laps worth of fuel the car began coughing at the
start of the final lap.

At each track, I now add a fair amount more fuel than is needed just to
be sure. For example, I'm about to start a 50% distance GP Level offline
championship and for the 40-lap Kyalami race I'll probably put in about
49-50 laps of fuel.

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Graeme Nash

Oli

GPL - Full length GP at The Glen - Running out of fuel

by Oli » Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Ah... the pimpmobile of yours...
Still no second car just in case?...

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speedrace

GPL - Full length GP at The Glen - Running out of fuel

by speedrace » Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:00:00

all I know is that the lucas electrics on my '60 austin cambridge weren't
the embodiment of reliable.....

speedracer

cambridge (50 hp, 3200 pounds - or something like that) sound like fun?


> Kugelfischer injection (as used on the BMW 2002 series) was more reliable,
> Asgeir.  Slightly more reliable.  A little bit, maybe.



> > I must object to this!!!!

> > The Lucas mechanical injection system was a technical ecclipse of that
> > time! I think next to all race cars used it, and it was a vast
> > improvement over carburetted engines.

> > The Triumph TR5 had a six cylinder, 2 liter engine with Lucas injetion
> > (PI - Petrol Injection) producing 150 bhp in a road car in 1967 (I think
> > it was in -67, or was it in 68?)!

> > If the engine is in fine working order (as were the race car engines),
> > the lucas injection system performed very well, but it was rather bad
> > with a worn engine. I have seen triumphs do 24 mpg with Lucas
> > injection...

> > One quite interesting point here is that the distance between the
> > everyday car and the ultimate F1 car was comparatively little when
> > compared with today. After all, the Lucas injection was developed in -66
> > or early -67, and it found it's way into the everyday cars after a year
> > or so!

> > ---Asgeir---
> > PS: Triumphs were the less expensive alternative in the middle priced
> > cars back then, and the TR5 was particularly popular, produced in
> > numbers of 80 000... But they had trouble with the Lucas injection
> > system, I must admit as much...



> > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:05:28 -0700,


> > > > >Lucas electrics not reliable?

> > > > That's the reason than the Brits drink warm beer. They
> > > > all have Lucas refrigerators.. :)

> > > > --
> > > > * rrevved at mindspring dot com

> > > A  vacuum cleaner was the only product that Lucas made that did'nt
> > > suck....

> > > Matt :-)

> > > --
> > > ----------------------
> > > The GPL Preservation Society
> > > http://www.gpl.netti.nu
> > > http://KOTR.de/gpl

> > > **GPLEA Member**

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Mark Seer

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by Mark Seer » Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:00:00

At least British garbage men have no trouble wheeling our bins down the
winding garden path.

Detroit dustbins on the other hand do not go round corners!

Mark

> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:05:28 -0700,


> >Lucas electrics not reliable?

> That's the reason than the Brits drink warm beer. They
> all have Lucas refrigerators.. :)

> --
> * rrevved at mindspring dot com

Mark Seer

GPL - Full length GP at The Glen - Running out of fuel

by Mark Seer » Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:00:00

And racing refrigerators ensured that the race results were not half-baked
with full course yellows <G>

Mark

Had no clue til now

Bruce Kennewel

GPL - Full length GP at The Glen - Running out of fuel

by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:00:00

It's okay, Edwin....he's thinking of George Lucas, whose electrics are
_always_ reliable! :o)



> > Lucas electrics not reliable?  My head mechanic drives a TR-3 & swears
> > by Lucas.  He's always right.

> Hmmm......  are we talking about the same Lucas here??

> I mean.... Lucas - *king of the darkness*.....  - reliabe??

> Give me a break!!
> <G!>

> --
> All the best,
> Edwin Solheim **remove spamguard in address to reply**
> Drop by "The Paddock - a legendary site....." for some cool GPL stuff!
> http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock

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Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Kugelfischer injection (as used on the BMW 2002 series) was more reliable,
Asgeir.  Slightly more reliable.  A little bit, maybe.


> I must object to this!!!!

> The Lucas mechanical injection system was a technical ecclipse of that
> time! I think next to all race cars used it, and it was a vast
> improvement over carburetted engines.

> The Triumph TR5 had a six cylinder, 2 liter engine with Lucas injetion
> (PI - Petrol Injection) producing 150 bhp in a road car in 1967 (I think
> it was in -67, or was it in 68?)!

> If the engine is in fine working order (as were the race car engines),
> the lucas injection system performed very well, but it was rather bad
> with a worn engine. I have seen triumphs do 24 mpg with Lucas
> injection...

> One quite interesting point here is that the distance between the
> everyday car and the ultimate F1 car was comparatively little when
> compared with today. After all, the Lucas injection was developed in -66
> or early -67, and it found it's way into the everyday cars after a year
> or so!

> ---Asgeir---
> PS: Triumphs were the less expensive alternative in the middle priced
> cars back then, and the TR5 was particularly popular, produced in
> numbers of 80 000... But they had trouble with the Lucas injection
> system, I must admit as much...



> > > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:05:28 -0700,


> > > >Lucas electrics not reliable?

> > > That's the reason than the Brits drink warm beer. They
> > > all have Lucas refrigerators.. :)

> > > --
> > > * rrevved at mindspring dot com

> > A  vacuum cleaner was the only product that Lucas made that did'nt
> > suck....

> > Matt :-)

> > --
> > ----------------------
> > The GPL Preservation Society
> > http://www.gpl.netti.nu
> > http://KOTR.de/gpl

> > **GPLEA Member**

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Steve Ferguso

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by Steve Ferguso » Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Ooh... and don't even get me started on trying to keep dual SU carbs in
sync.  When I got my hands on my first Scirocco with mechanical Bosch
injection, I was in heaven.  It was the last great era for backyard
tinkerers, and yet it was reliable and efficient.

Stephen

: Kugelfischer injection (as used on the BMW 2002 series) was more reliable,
: Asgeir.  Slightly more reliable.  A little bit, maybe.


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