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And real nice start Michael. If you want to be on that side so bad, start in
the number two spot. Is he the only guy whoever started like that? Run the
other guy into the wall? Especially your own brother?
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> line? I bet Sir Frank was boiling and he was right to be. Ralf handled it
> well. You have to give him that. Come right in, take the penalty and
leave.
> No waiting till the last possible minute.
in
> the number two spot. Is he the only guy whoever started like that? Run the
> other guy into the wall? Especially your own brother?
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> " > That'll teach him to get too close to his brother, I always though you
> were
> > allowed to get 2 wheels over the line when exiting the pit. Did Michael
do
> > the same?
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> > It was a ***penalty. He had two tires - half the chassis on/over the
> white
> > line? I bet Sir Frank was boiling and he was right to be. Ralf handled
it
> > well. You have to give him that. Come right in, take the penalty and
> leave.
> > No waiting till the last possible minute.
> > And real nice start Michael. If you want to be on that side so bad,
start
> in
> > the number two spot. Is he the only guy whoever started like that? Run
the
> > other guy into the wall? Especially your own brother?
> > ********************************
> > Dave Pawlikowski
> > www.cushdrive.com
> > www.luftwaffe-experten.com
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> > " > That'll teach him to get too close to his brother, I always though
you
> > were
> > > allowed to get 2 wheels over the line when exiting the pit. Did
Michael
> do
> > > the same?
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Um, waht are you suggesting?
Any car that is notified of a stop go has 3 laps to comply or gets a DQ.
The official rule is that cars hae to keep inside the line.
The "gentlemans" rule is that they keep the inside line into turn 1.
Yeah, it was nitpicking, no doubt but all in all they did it as it was so
noticable since he came out much too early at a time the track was busy...
it was really flashed in their faces so they decided to take action.
Now, saying that it was done to help Michael, what utter rubbish....
Wouldn't it have been more beneficial to pul in Michael for crossing the
line INTO the pit lane loosing him a place and making DC and Ralf both draw
nearer... thats a money spiiner for the F1 top notches, MS winning the title
by Ausgust/September means a major drop off in spending/viewing by fans.
Again, what were you watching?
Obviously you've never raced yourself... Ralf was gaining speed, what sort
of an idiot fighting for a World Championship would just let a competitor
the level of RS by? (Oh, Sorry DC, I forgot about you.)
2nd point... Run him into the wall? What are you talking about?
Ralf began to make ground and MS moved across INFRONT of him so they were
running one behind the other meaning Ralf had to slow slightly so he didn't
run into the back of Michael thus Monty drew nearer into T1.
Didn't you watch any of the race mate? The onboards as well as other cameras
showed all this...over and over....!
Michael has done it, Ralf has probably doneit, now they're just doing it to
each other... it's all racing... I know people do it to me but I don't ***
to the marshals afterwards since it's racing, I either find room or I don't
get by... thats racing!!
2nd of all to go into the technical bits of this... he made one move right
then retook the racing line.... that's what the rules allow.
Weaving is Hakkinen in Brazil last year... or Hill in Canada.... dangerous
stuff...
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> > It was a ***penalty. He had two tires - half the chassis on/over the
> white
> > line? I bet Sir Frank was boiling and he was right to be. Ralf handled
it
> > well. You have to give him that. Come right in, take the penalty and
> leave.
> > No waiting till the last possible minute.
> > And real nice start Michael. If you want to be on that side so bad,
start
> in
> > the number two spot. Is he the only guy whoever started like that? Run
the
> > other guy into the wall? Especially your own brother?
> > ********************************
> > Dave Pawlikowski
> > www.cushdrive.com
> > www.luftwaffe-experten.com
> > *********************************
> > " > That'll teach him to get too close to his brother, I always though
you
> > were
> > > allowed to get 2 wheels over the line when exiting the pit. Did
Michael
> do
> > > the same?
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*inserts 2 cents*...
Being a MS fan, i still feel robbed of a good race by the officials
who penalised ralf. The 10-second stop and go is *such* a terrible
penalty that I wonder if the punishment fits the crime. It's a pity
that they can't just penalise him 20 seconds or have a drive-thru
instead.
F1 fans seem to be divided quite firmly in the love / hate camps when
it comes to MS. I guess i started supporting him because of my
dislike of Senna. Funny thing is that Michael seems to be displaying
some of the traits of Senna that I didn't like then. I was a Prost
fan in those days and always thought that Senna was too aggressive
(*insert anti MS stuff*), etc.
I guess the reason I still support him is how he has managed to
perform well, even on the days when he had a problem or slow(er) car.
I remember in Spain(i think) in the Benetton a few years ago, he got
stuck in 5th or 6th gear(can't remember). He lost the lead and
dropped back, but still managed to adjust his driving technique to
accomodate this major disability and still scored points. Someone
with a better memory will have all the details. From that day I
realised that I will be a fan for a long time. The aggressive moves
against Damon Hill & Jacques Villeneuve to try and force the
championships in his favor were probably the most terrible things he's
done in my view. I still find myself supporting him though. Funny
thing for me to admit is that I thought that the next hot driver and
possibly the person to knock him off his perch would be Montoya. I
might still be right on that one though.
Without meaning to get into a squabble over something so small, but I
had to smile when I read this next bit...
That's like saying, even some Americans can't stand Little Al or
Michael Andretti or whoever. I'm sure there are some Canadians who
can't stand Paul Tracy or Jacques Villeneuve. I'm South African and
there are *many* South African sports people that I can't stand.
1 It's got nothing to do with the sportsperson, it's my preference.
2 People living in the same country don't all like the same teams /
athletes / popstars or whatever.
Actually. Now that I've read that last bit again, let me apologise in
advance to anyone who thinks i'm looking for an argument. Maybe I am
not taking the comment in its proper context.
Its 9:45PM and I'm waiting for the CART race to start on ESPN.
Regards all,
Regards all,
istoff
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>> It was a ***penalty. He had two tires - half the chassis on/over the
>white
>> line? I bet Sir Frank was boiling and he was right to be. Ralf handled it
>> well. You have to give him that. Come right in, take the penalty and
>leave.
>> No waiting till the last possible minute.
>Um, waht are you suggesting?
>Any car that is notified of a stop go has 3 laps to comply or gets a DQ.
>The official rule is that cars hae to keep inside the line.
>The "gentlemans" rule is that they keep the inside line into turn 1.
>Yeah, it was nitpicking, no doubt but all in all they did it as it was so
>noticable since he came out much too early at a time the track was busy...
>it was really flashed in their faces so they decided to take action.
>Now, saying that it was done to help Michael, what utter rubbish....
>Wouldn't it have been more beneficial to pul in Michael for crossing the
>line INTO the pit lane loosing him a place and making DC and Ralf both draw
>nearer... thats a money spiiner for the F1 top notches, MS winning the
title
>by Ausgust/September means a major drop off in spending/viewing by fans.
>> And real nice start Michael. If you want to be on that side so bad, start
>in
>> the number two spot. Is he the only guy whoever started like that? Run
the
>> other guy into the wall? Especially your own brother?
>Again, what were you watching?
>Obviously you've never raced yourself... Ralf was gaining speed, what sort
>of an idiot fighting for a World Championship would just let a competitor
>the level of RS by? (Oh, Sorry DC, I forgot about you.)
>2nd point... Run him into the wall? What are you talking about?
>Ralf began to make ground and MS moved across INFRONT of him so they were
>running one behind the other meaning Ralf had to slow slightly so he didn't
>run into the back of Michael thus Monty drew nearer into T1.
>Didn't you watch any of the race mate? The onboards as well as other
cameras
>showed all this...over and over....!
>Michael has done it, Ralf has probably doneit, now they're just doing it to
>each other... it's all racing... I know people do it to me but I don't
***
>to the marshals afterwards since it's racing, I either find room or I don't
>get by... thats racing!!
There is absolutely no proof that they were using it, from memory they
proved they weren't using it.
Damon took a wild stab up the inside, it was obvious that MS was going to
turn in as that was the racing line.
Yes, Bernie did say that, but that doesn't mean he gets preferential
treatment.
I can't think of any of his team mates who could ever compete against him in
a straight fight.
The trademark of someone who is very confident in what he does.
Well, this is the first time I've heard this rumour, from what Max Mosley
said it was a midfield team suspected of cheating. Besides which the time
taken to shift in F1 is so small I doubt traction could be broken, on an
upshift selecting the next gear, in effect reduces the power to the rear
wheels. So please post some actual proof that they were using TC.
No more than many of the other drivers.
But I suppose Senna is one of the all time greats, even though he was at
least equally as ruthless as Schumacher ?
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>> Ferrari and MS were using traction control last year between gear shifts.
>> That's why they had to allow it this year.
>Well, this is the first time I've heard this rumour, from what Max Mosley
>said it was a midfield team suspected of cheating. Besides which the time
>taken to shift in F1 is so small I doubt traction could be broken, on an
>upshift selecting the next gear, in effect reduces the power to the rear
>wheels. So please post some actual proof that they were using TC.
Ben
> > Here's why I don't like him.
> > They found tracton control in the software on the car when he was at
> Beneton
> > but they siad we are not using it so the FIA said ok. (blatent cheating)
> There is absolutely no proof that they were using it, from memory they
> proved they weren't using it.
How about the time whem Villeneuve came up the inside, MS saw him,
straghtened up then turn in on him on purporse to try and crash him.
What about the penalties against Ferrari for an illegal car that were
dropped last season?
There have been times when Irvine and Barichello have had to pull over to
let him by. Eddie even said Ferrari did not want him to get the title (which
he would of got if he had equal team standing next to MS when he broke his
leg)
There's a very big difference between confidence and arrogance.
He also stole Heinze Harolds girlfriend, just another reason why I dont like
him.
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