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I'm trying to figure out on which lap Alonso careered into that tyre.
Some reports give it as lap 55 others as lap 54.  Anyone got the
definitive answer.
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More like the start/finish straight - as far as I could see he was
nowhere near the finish line.

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The result is taken on a count back from 2 laps before the lap on
which the red flag is thrown which is why Raikonnen got the victory as
he had been leading at the end of lap 53.

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:42:02 +0100, "Dan_Leach"

Ok, that clears it up.  I also have managed to confirm from other
'reliable' sources that the red flag was actually thrown on lap 56.  

Te reason I had asked was because, if it had actually been on lap 55,
then the last completed lap would have been lap 54, with a 2 lap
countback, that would have made the lap to be used for race results as
lap 52.  This had been the lap that Coulthard had pitted and so I had
wondered whether this should have meant that his 4th place was somehow a
gross miscalculation as surely he must have crossed the s/f line during
his pitting before 1 or more of the 3 drivers who were said to have been
placed ahead of him.

Anyway, all moot now.  :)
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"Michael Schumacher has added fuel to the embers of the fire which
briefly erupted with the conclusion of the Brazilian grand prix.
Although all parties involved seem to have accepted the result and
Kimi R?ikk?nens victory, the world champion has publicly stated that,
in his opinion, Giancarlo Fisichella won the race.

The Germans argument revolves around the implementation of the FIAs
countback rule. The race was stopped on the 55th lap of 71 and under
the FIA's red flag regulations the result was counted back two laps.
The result was therefore based on the positions held at the end of lap
53. Where Schumachers query arises is in the fact that the race was
allowed to be stopped because it had run over 75% distance.

Schumacher says that if the FIA has implemented this rule then it has
done so incorrectly. 75% race distance occurred on lap 54, thus if
race results are taken from lap 53 then the race had run less laps
than the point at which it is possible to end it and award full
points.

"One gets full points if three quarters of the distance is completed,"
explained Schumacher on German television, "which would be 54 laps. 55
laps were raced but two were deducted and based on this, R?ikk?nen was
declared the winner.

"If the FIA say that more laps were raced then they must declare
Fisichella the winner," he continued, "It will be interesting to see
how they explain this."

And as you say, the red flag was shown after Fisico passed the s/f
line, starting the 56th lap... The plot thickens... :)

http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030409123816.shtml

I think we can solidely put this one in the book as the most
controversial grand prix ever, eh?  ;)

/Magnus

There was a Canadian GP in the late '60s or early '70's (before they
used millions of dollars of equipment to count laps), where the rain
and fog was so bad the humans counting laps lost track (some idiot
decided October in Canada was good GP weather).  3 different drivers
were declared winners within a couple of hours of the flag.

There wasn't any real fog that day, but the rain did play a
significant role.  The race started off wet, but it started to dry and
people started coming in for slicks.  At around the same time there
was a big accident in Turn Two involving Scheckter and Cevert, so they
put out the safety car (first time ever used during a GP).  With al
lthe confusion of pit stops the safety car picked up the wrong guy as
leader (Howden Ganley, IIRC), with Revson at the back of the queue,
but actually almost a full lap ahead of most of the field.

Hell of a day, all right, but Brazil 2003 ranks right up there!

Ian

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