rec.autos.simulators

by **idav** » Sun, 06 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Is he from the UK...?

Could have sworn I read this somewhere.

Just how does he do it...?

Spent the afternoon burping, farting, spinning, crashing around the Ost
whilst listenin to Sunderland vs Newcastle on the wind-up radio.

Playing GPL with a knackered F1sim - (plastic brake pedal sticky oot knobbly
bit snapped off) setup is no fun.

Tried to buy a Logitech FF wheel yesterday, but sold out..!!

Temptation got the better of me, so I'm sitting here braking and
accelerating with the behind the wheel paddles - not a happy bunny.

Still,

If he is a brit...

...and he's lookin' in.

Sir,

Wouldn't mind slinging me Lotus around the Isle of Man roads.

I'm sure I could prove that a car can fly.

idav.

by **Brad Spauldin** » Sun, 06 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Dave Noonan is an evil man. He is a one man *** bent on world
domination. His plan is simple: release stunning GPL tracks on an
unsuspecting populace, but bury mind bending subliminal messages in
the graphics. (Honest, that first board at the O-ring says 'Noonan is
God'...if you look *real* close.) And of course, since we all love
these tracks, and are forced to spend EVERY DAMN WAKING HOUR (my
social life sends a big 'Thanks' to you, Dave) trying to learn them,
we are of course left as mind numbed idiots, defenseless against his
command. I don't know who unleashed this plague upon the sim community
(the government, Sierra, his wicked step-mother?) but he must be
exposed for the wickedness he truly represents.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to finish my Eagle setup for Brands...

Thanks Dave. No really, thanks...

Brad

by **Stephen Colbourn** » Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I must agree that the Isle of Man would make a great track for GPL.
I would say together with the Le Mans 24 hour , the ring ,Monaco and Monza
(with banking) these are the worlds classic tracks.
I guess I would have to add some ovals to the list with Brooklands, Daytona
and Indy.

It would be alot of work to create the Isle of Man.
We ought to have a common library of tracks in a format suitable for
conversion to any sim in the public domain. Thus much of the work would only
need to be done once.

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by **μartij** » Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:00:00

True. But the conversions are the hardest part. In theory, you could
convert all (600!!) GP2-tracks to GPL-format. But, as the GPL-format is
largely unknown, you can't make a converter.

True, Noonan and the GPLEA know enough about the fileformat to make tracks,
but they are not willing to share that information with the public domain.
I think it's a big-ego thing or something like that. So therefore people
like Paul Hoad, who created the GP2-trackeditor from zero, have no access
to enough sources to understand the fileformat enough to build a converter.

If he had, he would have made one already. Go blame Noonan or the other
guys. They're not the saints you may think they are.

by **David Kar** » Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:00:00

guys. They're not the saints you may think they are.

Maybe not, but if you gotta have demons, them's the right kind.

--DK

by **Phil Flac** » Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:00:00

http://come.to/genghis There's a fair bit of info. there, from me (a
member of GPLEA). When I've found more out it will be added, fair?

I was working with Paul for many months before he semi-gave up, at which
point I went off on my own and started with Snetterton, before teaming
up with the GPLEA to speed things up.

Phil

> True. But the conversions are the hardest part. In theory, you could
> convert all (600!!) GP2-tracks to GPL-format. But, as the GPL-format is
> largely unknown, you can't make a converter.

> True, Noonan and the GPLEA know enough about the fileformat to make tracks,
> but they are not willing to share that information with the public domain.
> I think it's a big-ego thing or something like that. So therefore people
> like Paul Hoad, who created the GP2-trackeditor from zero, have no access
> to enough sources to understand the fileformat enough to build a converter.

> If he had, he would have made one already. Go blame Noonan or the other
> guys. They're not the saints you may think they are.

> > We ought to have a common library of tracks in a format suitable for
> > conversion to any sim in the public domain. Thus much of the work would
> only
> > need to be done once.

by **μartij** » Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Phil, I'm sure you know a lot more right now, right?
It's just a bit strange to me that in the beginning, you were very much
into the "public domain" stuff, making an editor available, etc, and now
it's all secretive and obscure. There are so many people wanting to make
tracks, and some of them will be excellent (like in GP2). I for one want
to.... but can't.

I'm sure Paul Hoad will return his attention to GPL as soon as people
contribute. If you know things about fileformat, he can build a nice
editor. I just got the feeling lately that you were NOT willing to share
your discoveries.

> http://come.to/genghis There's a fair bit of info. there, from me (a
> member of GPLEA). When I've found more out it will be added, fair?

> I was working with Paul for many months before he semi-gave up, at which
> point I went off on my own and started with Snetterton, before teaming
> up with the GPLEA to speed things up.

> Phil

> > True. But the conversions are the hardest part. In theory, you could
> > convert all (600!!) GP2-tracks to GPL-format. But, as the GPL-format is
> > largely unknown, you can't make a converter.

> > True, Noonan and the GPLEA know enough about the fileformat to make
tracks,
> > but they are not willing to share that information with the public
domain.
> > I think it's a big-ego thing or something like that. So therefore
people
> > like Paul Hoad, who created the GP2-trackeditor from zero, have no
access
> > to enough sources to understand the fileformat enough to build a
converter.

> > If he had, he would have made one already. Go blame Noonan or the other
> > guys. They're not the saints you may think they are.

> > > We ought to have a common library of tracks in a format suitable for
> > > conversion to any sim in the public domain. Thus much of the work
would
> > only
> > > need to be done once.

by **bph..** » Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:00:00

He is actually an alien being. Arrived on the same ship as Huttu.

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by **Tracey A Mille** » Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:00:00

"David Karr" wrote

No kidding, I wish that demon had a twin. Someone steal some DNA so
maybe we can clone him.

Guys here used to worship Jack Rambo for making promises, now we are
going to start attacking Dave Noonan for delivering results?

by **Phil Flac** » Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:00:00

> Phil, I'm sure you know a lot more right now, right?

Yes, a bit more, but not as much as you might think. Everything is just
extrapolated from what's on my site, then coded to turn TRK files into
3DOs...

Give me some time and things will become clear. The work needed to make
snetterton is quite time consuming at the moment, after which things
will become 'public' and easy (er) :)

Nope, just busy! Mail if you have any specific questions.

Phil

by **Matthew Birger Knutse** » Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:00:00

One reason for this...
Have you seen the track yet?
Guess not :-)
We have been stating that we *will* release the tools when they are ready.
If we did let them out, we would have absolutely nothing to do but to answer
"how to's"...

Simply put; Phil, David, Paul and a few others are in a league of their own.
Don't ever expect that anybody could sit down to make these tracks! It took
Phil 1,5 years to get where he is now, I'm sure David spent the same amount
of time, and you expect to learn this in a whiff?

So, please, be patient, and stop pulling people's legs. See what happened to
Paul Hoad.

Best,
Matt/GPLEA

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Tue, 08 Feb 2000 04:00:00

As far as the majority of us are concerned (including those who haven't got
either the slightest interest in creating tracks or the ability to do so)
these people _ARE_ saints. I don't see too many gripes here about having to
pay for the pleasure each time something is created for GPL, tracks
included.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> If he had, he would have made one already. Go blame Noonan or the other
> guys. They're not the saints you may think they are.

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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Tue, 08 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Personally I feel that the difficulty in creating circuits is not
necessarily a bad thing. Why?
Because only those who are really dedicated will put in the time and effort
required to not only learn the system but to also create something
worthwhile.

If it were a simple(er) system, there would be more chaff than wheat. At
the very least we have been able to look forward to QUALITY output from
David and, I am sure, the GPLEA.

That suits me down to the ground. Thanks for your and your other team
members efforts, Matt.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> >Phil, I'm sure you know a lot more right now, right?
> >It's just a bit strange to me that in the beginning, you were very much
> >into the "public domain" stuff, making an editor available, etc, and now
> >it's all secretive and obscure. There are so many people wanting to make
> >tracks, and some of them will be excellent (like in GP2). I for one want
> >to.... but can't.

> >I'm sure Paul Hoad will return his attention to GPL as soon as people
> >contribute. If you know things about fileformat, he can build a nice
> >editor. I just got the feeling lately that you were NOT willing to share
> >your discoveries.

> One reason for this...
> Have you seen the track yet?
> Guess not :-)
> We have been stating that we *will* release the tools when they are ready.
> If we did let them out, we would have absolutely nothing to do but to
answer
> "how to's"...

> Simply put; Phil, David, Paul and a few others are in a league of their
own.
> Don't ever expect that anybody could sit down to make these tracks! It
took
> Phil 1,5 years to get where he is now, I'm sure David spent the same
amount
> of time, and you expect to learn this in a whiff?

> So, please, be patient, and stop pulling people's legs. See what happened
to
> Paul Hoad.

> Best,
> Matt/GPLEA

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by **Jan Koh** » Tue, 08 Feb 2000 04:00:00

> True, Noonan and the GPLEA know enough about the fileformat to make tracks,
> but they are not willing to share that information with the public domain.
> I think it's a big-ego thing or something like that. So therefore people
> like Paul Hoad, who created the GP2-trackeditor from zero, have no access
> to enough sources to understand the fileformat enough to build a converter.
> If he had, he would have made one already. Go blame Noonan or the other
> guys. They're not the saints you may think they are.

Obviously, you are someone with too much time on your hands. First off, beings that
you presume to know these people so well, it's interesting to note that you have no clue
as to their 'ego'. Second, I guess it has to happen, someone is going to look a gift horse
in the mouth...

David Noonan and the guys at GPLEA are working hard to put things together for racers
to enjoy. They derived this information by pouring through file formats for years (something
you could do, I might add). All their information came from trying something, seeing if it
worked, and then trying it again when it didn't.

The information require to put a Papy track together would take a book to fill. And if some
of the current track tools were released, their email boxes would fill up with all the people
asking questions on how to use them...they are not for the timid. Nor are they fool-proof.
That is why you don't see the people who have developed the tools putting them out for
people to use (yet)...they don't have the time to write all the required documentation and
the information required to use them. Perhaps sometime in the future...

The next time you feel like complaining about what people are not doing for you, remember
this...I don't remember you PAYING for any of these products...
--
??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team**
Computer Systems Programmer
USAF Air-Ground Operations School
Hurlburt Field, FL

Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/
The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

by **Phil Flac** » Tue, 08 Feb 2000 04:00:00

<snip>

I was wondering what to do for a thesis...
"Snetterton - Hacking the Sim Commonly Known as GPL - PhD Thesis by
P.Flack"
:-D

Phil

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