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MS X-box will KILL Computer games

Kai Fulle

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by Kai Fulle » Sat, 11 Mar 2000 04:00:00

If it isn't forever upgradeable then it won't replace computers, id it is,
then it's just a computer with a fancy name...

ZERO titles, I can't see *** turn based ware games playing on it?
They're all turning back to small developers distributing over the net.



> >  If the Xbox suceeds.  I predict there will be ZERO development of new
> >computer technologies aimed at ***.  I predict ZERO new products by
> >the end of 2002.  I predict "if" the Xbox is a sucess, computer ***
> >as we know it will vanish.
> >  The reason is money, every developer and thier publishers will be able
> >to code for the Box and not have to spend big bucks designing, coding,
> >testing, for all the different hardware and software combo's out there.
> >  If the Xbox produces, we will all become console buyers or face a
> >future of no ***.(of course, we will always have gpl)
> >dave henrie

> Anyone have specs on this X-Box? I cannot comment on the above until i
> know more :)
> Computer *** will never vanish tho. I cant see my TSW2 hooking up
> to a console. :)

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Mitch Alatorr

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by Mitch Alatorr » Sat, 11 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I disagree.

All the Xbox does is narrow the focus of a standard PC.  It is still a PC
though!  The specs I saw mentioned a P3/600, Geforce video, 64MB ram, 8GB
HD.  Windows2k, DX8.  Internet access, game port blah blah blah.  This will
likely change by fall 2001.   If anything this will get more developers
coding PC games due to a larger market share of PC's (including XBox) than
the proprietary consoles.  Yes this will eliminate the myriad of API choices
available currently.  GPL is a perfect example of this, written for Glide
and had to be ported to OpenGL for any non 3DFX cards.  Remember the
Rendition cards?  Same situation.  In fact Im still waitin for the SODA
Glide patch :-)
Less time the devs have spend to make different ports of the same s/w the
more time they can spend on the graphics/physics/AI etc.  This shouldnt make
less hardware available to PC's it should make hardware mfg's more
conscience of compatability while still improving performance.

Just my 2cents

Mitch


Dave Henri

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by Dave Henri » Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:00:00

  If the Xbox suceeds.  I predict there will be ZERO development of new
computer technologies aimed at ***.  I predict ZERO new products by
the end of 2002.  I predict "if" the Xbox is a sucess, computer ***
as we know it will vanish.  
  The reason is money, every developer and thier publishers will be able
to code for the Box and not have to spend big bucks designing, coding,
testing, for all the different hardware and software combo's out there.
  If the Xbox produces, we will all become console buyers or face a
future of no ***.(of course, we will always have gpl)
dave henrie
Skotty Flyn

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by Skotty Flyn » Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:00:00


>  If the Xbox suceeds.  I predict there will be ZERO development of new
>computer technologies aimed at ***.  I predict ZERO new products by
>the end of 2002.  I predict "if" the Xbox is a sucess, computer ***
>as we know it will vanish.  
>  The reason is money, every developer and thier publishers will be able
>to code for the Box and not have to spend big bucks designing, coding,
>testing, for all the different hardware and software combo's out there.
>  If the Xbox produces, we will all become console buyers or face a
>future of no ***.(of course, we will always have gpl)
>dave henrie

Anyone have specs on this X-Box? I cannot comment on the above until i
know more :)
Computer *** will never vanish tho. I cant see my TSW2 hooking up
to a console. :)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Skotty Flynn
skotty20 on Won

Nascar-Racing-Sims.Com:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

The Ultimate Sim Racing Directory:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Mitch Alatorr

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by Mitch Alatorr » Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Coupla corrections

The graphics processor is the NVidia NV25 not the Geforce.  Also just to be
clear, it wont use Win2K as the OS but the Win2k Kernel and DX libraries.
They had better not strip it to much though as then compatability with true
PC games will become the issue.  It will also have DVD and 10/100 Ethernet.

Mitch


> I disagree.

> All the Xbox does is narrow the focus of a standard PC.  It is still a PC
> though!  The specs I saw mentioned a P3/600, Geforce video, 64MB ram, 8GB
> HD.  Windows2k, DX8.  Internet access, game port blah blah blah.  This
will
> likely change by fall 2001.   If anything this will get more developers
> coding PC games due to a larger market share of PC's (including XBox) than
> the proprietary consoles.  Yes this will eliminate the myriad of API
choices
> available currently.  GPL is a perfect example of this, written for Glide
> and had to be ported to OpenGL for any non 3DFX cards.  Remember the
> Rendition cards?  Same situation.  In fact Im still waitin for the SODA
> Glide patch :-)
> Less time the devs have spend to make different ports of the same s/w the
> more time they can spend on the graphics/physics/AI etc.  This shouldnt
make
> less hardware available to PC's it should make hardware mfg's more
> conscience of compatability while still improving performance.

> Just my 2cents

> Mitch



> >   If the Xbox suceeds.  I predict there will be ZERO development of new
> > computer technologies aimed at ***.  I predict ZERO new products by
> > the end of 2002.  I predict "if" the Xbox is a sucess, computer ***
> > as we know it will vanish.
> >   The reason is money, every developer and thier publishers will be able
> > to code for the Box and not have to spend big bucks designing, coding,
> > testing, for all the different hardware and software combo's out there.
> >   If the Xbox produces, we will all become console buyers or face a
> > future of no ***.(of course, we will always have gpl)
> > dave henrie

Skotty Flyn

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by Skotty Flyn » Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Another thing I have noticed too with the current console's is that
even though the graphics have come a long way, you just cant get a TV
to look as crisp as a computer monitor.
Even though the console specs get better and better, will they ever
really be able to develop a racing game with decent physics in the
near future? All the current racing games for console's blow. :)
I do find that the sports games run better on console's such as
football and hockey games tho.
"The first release for X-Box is from the famed Pokemon series!" LOL

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:19:00 -0800, "Mitch Alatorre"


>Coupla corrections

>The graphics processor is the NVidia NV25 not the Geforce.  Also just to be
>clear, it wont use Win2K as the OS but the Win2k Kernel and DX libraries.
>They had better not strip it to much though as then compatability with true
>PC games will become the issue.  It will also have DVD and 10/100 Ethernet.

>Mitch



>> I disagree.

>> All the Xbox does is narrow the focus of a standard PC.  It is still a PC
>> though!  The specs I saw mentioned a P3/600, Geforce video, 64MB ram, 8GB
>> HD.  Windows2k, DX8.  Internet access, game port blah blah blah.  This
>will
>> likely change by fall 2001.   If anything this will get more developers
>> coding PC games due to a larger market share of PC's (including XBox) than
>> the proprietary consoles.  Yes this will eliminate the myriad of API
>choices
>> available currently.  GPL is a perfect example of this, written for Glide
>> and had to be ported to OpenGL for any non 3DFX cards.  Remember the
>> Rendition cards?  Same situation.  In fact Im still waitin for the SODA
>> Glide patch :-)
>> Less time the devs have spend to make different ports of the same s/w the
>> more time they can spend on the graphics/physics/AI etc.  This shouldnt
>make
>> less hardware available to PC's it should make hardware mfg's more
>> conscience of compatability while still improving performance.

>> Just my 2cents

>> Mitch



>> >   If the Xbox suceeds.  I predict there will be ZERO development of new
>> > computer technologies aimed at ***.  I predict ZERO new products by
>> > the end of 2002.  I predict "if" the Xbox is a sucess, computer ***
>> > as we know it will vanish.
>> >   The reason is money, every developer and thier publishers will be able
>> > to code for the Box and not have to spend big bucks designing, coding,
>> > testing, for all the different hardware and software combo's out there.
>> >   If the Xbox produces, we will all become console buyers or face a
>> > future of no ***.(of course, we will always have gpl)
>> > dave henrie

Morgan VW

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by Morgan VW » Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:00:00

HA! That's like Rick the Y2K nut last December! Ridiculous.

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Phillip Malphrus, Jr

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by Phillip Malphrus, Jr » Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I predict  that you are blowing this way out of proportion and computer
*** the way we have it today is a result of what Microsoft has done. I am
eternally graeful to Microsoft and I can assure you we take what Windows can
do for granted. Don't blame Microsoft, blame game producers for making
Microsoft a monopoly. Hey, they could port the games to other os's like
Linux but do they?

Be glad for what you got, could be a lot worse
Phillip


David Butte

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by David Butte » Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:00:00


Utter rubbish, I'm afraid. Can you do word-processing, spreadsheets,
*proper* Internet (ie with newsgroups, ftp, IRC etc), Ultima Online-
type games, CAD, video editing, easy h/w upgrades or  on an X-Box? I
think not. So there will always be a huge number of PCs around. Any
game publisher that ignores a market of that size is a fool.

--
David.
"The lawyers are destroying inspiration."
(Michael Turner, motorsport artist)

The Black Cat =^..^

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by The Black Cat =^..^ » Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:00:00


>  If the Xbox suceeds.  I predict there will be ZERO development of new
>computer technologies aimed at ***.

I disagree.  Why should I buy a separate *** system when I can play
games on a computer just as well if not better.  This is just typical
anything-you-can-do-I-can-do-better Bill Gates stuff.
Cliff Roma

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by Cliff Roma » Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I do not agree with this statement of yours.

This is just Bill Gates trying to once again revolutionlize the
way something is done.  There is NOTHING wrong with that.
I am by far a MS supporter, but if it was not for Bill Gates
trying to revolutionize the way we do things on a computer, we
would not be nearly where we are today.

Bill Gates has some awesome ideas for the future with
technology. Have you ever listened to what he really had to say?

Let him try this, who knows, it may turn out to be the greatest
thing that ever happened to ***. If not, then no one will support
and it and no one is worse off than we are now.  We have nothing
to lose, we can only gain from this effort. (same thing goes when
any company tries a new idea/technology.. we can only gain from
the effort)




> games on a computer just as well if not better.  This is just typical
> anything-you-can-do-I-can-do-better Bill Gates stuff.

Victor Cha

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by Victor Cha » Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Nah.  PC hardware will advance further and games will become more
break-through.  For the X-Box, console users, for the first time, will get
the same PC performance and quality as of today, in Fall 2001.  Besides, who
knows if it will be ready by then.  Remember that it is still a console.
The screen resolution is restricted to 600x400 where as on a PC monitor the
resolution can go as high as the monitor and video card can support.  Of
course, if the X-Box can support PC monitor, that would be something good
for a change.


Victor Cha

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by Victor Cha » Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:00:00

The only way I know why anyone would make such a claim about the X-Box
replacing computer is either this person only plays games on his PC or his
PC is so under-powered than the X-Box. <G>




> >  If the Xbox suceeds.  I predict there will be ZERO development of
> >  new computer technologies aimed at ***.  I predict ZERO new
> >  products by the end of 2002.

> Utter rubbish, I'm afraid. Can you do word-processing, spreadsheets,
> *proper* Internet (ie with newsgroups, ftp, IRC etc), Ultima Online-
> type games, CAD, video editing, easy h/w upgrades or  on an X-Box? I
> think not. So there will always be a huge number of PCs around. Any
> game publisher that ignores a market of that size is a fool.

> --
> David.
> "The lawyers are destroying inspiration."
> (Michael Turner, motorsport artist)

Kai Fulle

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by Kai Fulle » Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:00:00

HDTV

I'm sure the next Gen consoles will be HDTV compatible, that will be the
next Gen console... right now the new stuff coming out just seems like a
better playstatiom, not like the jump to 3D from the Genesis.


> Another thing I have noticed too with the current console's is that
> even though the graphics have come a long way, you just cant get a TV
> to look as crisp as a computer monitor.
> Even though the console specs get better and better, will they ever
> really be able to develop a racing game with decent physics in the
> near future? All the current racing games for console's blow. :)
> I do find that the sports games run better on console's such as
> football and hockey games tho.
> "The first release for X-Box is from the famed Pokemon series!" LOL

> On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:19:00 -0800, "Mitch Alatorre"

> >Coupla corrections

> >The graphics processor is the NVidia NV25 not the Geforce.  Also just to
be
> >clear, it wont use Win2K as the OS but the Win2k Kernel and DX libraries.
> >They had better not strip it to much though as then compatability with
true
> >PC games will become the issue.  It will also have DVD and 10/100
Ethernet.

> >Mitch



> >> I disagree.

> >> All the Xbox does is narrow the focus of a standard PC.  It is still a
PC
> >> though!  The specs I saw mentioned a P3/600, Geforce video, 64MB ram,
8GB
> >> HD.  Windows2k, DX8.  Internet access, game port blah blah blah.  This
> >will
> >> likely change by fall 2001.   If anything this will get more developers
> >> coding PC games due to a larger market share of PC's (including XBox)
than
> >> the proprietary consoles.  Yes this will eliminate the myriad of API
> >choices
> >> available currently.  GPL is a perfect example of this, written for
Glide
> >> and had to be ported to OpenGL for any non 3DFX cards.  Remember the
> >> Rendition cards?  Same situation.  In fact Im still waitin for the SODA
> >> Glide patch :-)
> >> Less time the devs have spend to make different ports of the same s/w
the
> >> more time they can spend on the graphics/physics/AI etc.  This shouldnt
> >make
> >> less hardware available to PC's it should make hardware mfg's more
> >> conscience of compatability while still improving performance.

> >> Just my 2cents

> >> Mitch



> >> >   If the Xbox suceeds.  I predict there will be ZERO development of
new
> >> > computer technologies aimed at ***.  I predict ZERO new products
by
> >> > the end of 2002.  I predict "if" the Xbox is a sucess, computer
***
> >> > as we know it will vanish.
> >> >   The reason is money, every developer and thier publishers will be
able
> >> > to code for the Box and not have to spend big bucks designing,
coding,
> >> > testing, for all the different hardware and software combo's out
there.
> >> >   If the Xbox produces, we will all become console buyers or face a
> >> > future of no ***.(of course, we will always have gpl)
> >> > dave henrie

Martin Urs

MS X-box will KILL Computer games

by Martin Urs » Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:00:00


>  If the Xbox suceeds.  I predict there will be ZERO development of new
>computer technologies aimed at ***.  I predict ZERO new products by
>the end of 2002.  I predict "if" the Xbox is a sucess, computer ***
>as we know it will vanish.  

        According to similarly alarmist posts in other newsgroups, the
Playstation 2 will kill computer games.  By the time the X-Box comes
out, there should therefore be nothing left to kill.  Right?

        Would you like to make a wager on that "ZERO new products"
prediction?

Martin
Long Live Nigel Mansell!


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