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I've got the original CD version of F1RS. But compared to GP2 I am
having big problems with the controls.

For braking and acceleration there isn't much response until I've pushed
the pedals right near to the back when I would get a HUGE response.
Almost like an ON/OFF switch if you know what I mean. There seems to be
a dead-ish point for most of the control range.

For the steering the thing just goes all over the place like it was over
sensitive.

What sort of config or patch would I need to fix these problems?

I'm using the F1 SIM controller in "single joystick mode" in order to
use it with other games.

Can anybody help me with this? TIA

I'm using the 3Dfx version if that helps.

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Kulvinder Singh Matharu

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Try setting the brake and accelerator sensitivity to 100%.  If I lower the
sensitivity to 0%, I get the on/off behavior that you experience.  Smoothly
rev the engine in neutral and see if you get a linear accelerator response.
You should.

Haven't seen this.  There is a patch on www.f1racingsim.com where you can
change the null zone in your DINPUT.DLL file.

The latest patch is 1.08.  A lot of people have noticed a frame rate
slowdown, but I have noticed any in any of the patches.

Can you set it up as a race car controller?  I believe joysticks have
strange steering characteristics.

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Kevin
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I'm also having some problems with the control sensitivity in F1RS. I just
picked it up on Friday. I'm really trying to like this game. It appears to me
that there's something real good under there once I work out the problems I'm
having. If I can't I have no choice but to return it.

I've tried the above, and it doesn't work for me. When I set my sensitvity to
100%, the throttle is partially down. Just like if my idle was set unusually
high. If I hit the gas, there's a very fine amount of movement between this
high idle state and full throttle. As such it very difficult to be at anything
other than full throttle or high idle. 1st and 2nd gear are nothing but
wheelspin for me and as such useless. I've messed around with the sensitivity
setting without success. It seems to me that the lower I make it, it just
lowers the are of pedal travel that this thin area of response comes in. It's
doesn't do anything else.

The steering seems a bit odd to me also. Does the sensitivity change with speed
as GP2 lets you set? I've seen nothing in the manual or menus to indicate this,
but sure as hell when I'm slow the wheel is too sensitive and when I'm at speed
it's not sensitive enough. I've been able to change the in-game sensitivity,
but all it did was get rid of some twitchiness.

I have a TM GP1 wheel with CH pedals. They're working fine in N2, GP2, ICR2 and
the GPL demo. They calibrate just fine in Win95. It's only in F1RS that I get
this odd behavior. And I have and installed the v1.08 patch.

If anyone has some tips or ideas I'd be greatly appreciative.

HH

I had a similar problem in a different game.Turned out to be a
potentiometer in my TM GP1 throttle.If you are technically
oriented and have a DMM to read resistance there is a fix.

You have to take apart your wheel to read the resistance range
of the gas and brake pots.Pull the paddles back and get a reading
and let go and read.I've found the best range to be 50k to 150k.

If you don't want to go through with this,hook up a joystick and try
it in the game to see if you get the same odd response.If you need
more info e-mail me.C-YA

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% I've tried the above, and it doesn't work for me. When I set my sensitvity to
% 100%, the throttle is partially down. Just like if my idle was set unusually
% high. If I hit the gas, there's a very fine amount of movement between this
% high idle state and full throttle. As such it very difficult to be at anything
% other than full throttle or high idle. 1st and 2nd gear are nothing but
% wheelspin for me and as such useless. I've messed around with the sensitivity
% setting without success. It seems to me that the lower I make it, it just
% lowers the are of pedal travel that this thin area of response comes in. It's
% doesn't do anything else.

I haven't altered the sensitivity settings from the defaults.  I don't
really experience any problems.  I actually like the feel.  I think the
defaults are around 80%.  There is a whole lotta torque in that engine
right behind your back.   1st gear is set pretty low.  I only use 1st
gear for the start of the race (or when I find myself off course or spun
around -- which seems to happen all too often).  STAY OUT of 1st once
you get rolling.  But you have to pretend you have a raw egg between
your foot and the pedal when you are in 1st (and even 2nd).  Just
lightly apply some pressure and once the rear tires grip gently apply
more until it's time to shift gears.  Going into 2nd from 1st, expect
to have to ease off the throttle a little to avoid more wheel spin.  

There has been some who feel that F1RS throttle control is TOO
sensitive.  I think that once you get used to it, it is fairly
realistic.

% The steering seems a bit odd to me also. Does the sensitivity change with speed
% as GP2 lets you set? I've seen nothing in the manual or menus to indicate this,
% but sure as hell when I'm slow the wheel is too sensitive and when I'm at speed
% it's not sensitive enough. I've been able to change the in-game sensitivity,
% but all it did was get rid of some twitchiness.

% I have a TM GP1 wheel with CH pedals. They're working fine in N2, GP2, ICR2 and
% the GPL demo. They calibrate just fine in Win95. It's only in F1RS that I get
% this odd behavior. And I have and installed the v1.08 patch.

I seem to have just the opposite problem.  I find that there is alot of
understeer at slow speeds.  However, I find the control at speed pretty
good. (but I am using the NASCAR Pro wheel and I have about 270 degrees
of steering to your 180 -- check out Alison's webpage for information on
increasing the wheel lock on your GP1 wheel --
http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~alison/racing/).

Try playing with the poll with interrupts setting in the Advanced Game
Controller applet.  Also, you might want to install Thrustmaster's
ProPanel applet and use it for you calibrations in Win95.
ftp://208.129.210.78/pub/library/calibration/propanelv11.exe

Are you using a VooDoo 3DFX card?  Are you using some agressive settings
in your autoexec.bat file?  

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I've reinstalled F1RS and have noticed some improvement. But I have found what
you say to be true. It's a lot more controllable now, but 1st and 2nd are too
sensitive for my liking. But not anywhere near what it was before.

I think it would be realistic if I had the "seat of the pants" feel you have
when really in the car. <G>  As is, it is a touch too sensitive.

Yep, but I only o'clock the card to 55mhz. Has this created problems for some?

Thanks for the tips,
HH