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by **John Simmon** » Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:55:40

The fast setup is WAY loose. I was barely able to break into the
16's until I adjusted the steering response time from 0% to 18%. I
also made my break response time at about 4%.

My fast lap right now stands at 16.095, but I watched Pete Reston do
a 15.8 on Saturday evening (he's also the one that shared the
adjustments I listed above - many thanks, Pete). I have a feeling
average lap times will actually be in the mid-16's to low-17's
because you'll almost always have traffic around you.

I suggest that everyone put in some time practicing because this
track can be real frustrating if you're driving an ill-handling car.

As always, the practice server is up for any that feel the need.

Here's hoping we see a lot of drivers that show up prepared for the
event.

by **Joe Saxo** » Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:08:04

I was able to pull a 15:985 today and I will be working on it all week. What
we need is a bit of an organized practice session(s), when you first
announced the practice server I was always checking to see if anyone was
there and there never was. On a separate note, sorry for missing the last
two races Saturdays at noon really suck for me because it's a time I can
make $100 an hour and that's more important right now. But I do hope to make
Bristol.

Joe

by **Bamada** » Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:43:07

I ran about 100 laps on the practice server tonight and found the setup WAY
loose for the 1st 5-7 laps and then pushes like a truck. Best I could do was
16.073 and that was sideways on the straights. What wheel do you use
John...Pete?
Dan

by **John Simmon** » Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:54:08

I use an ancient TM Nascar Pro analog wheel. The time you're turning
is fine for the race. The more important thing is to keep the car
from being destroyed. Being able to drive the car is to keep it in
one piece.

:)

by **Bamada** » Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:18:29

That is the best wheel I ever owned. Sure wish I hadn't worn it out.

Tough to do at Bristol but I agree :) Now....we'll see
Dan

by **Pete** » Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:33:53

Dan, I'm using a TSW2 with High Spec 250K pots in it.
Although I have experimented back and forth with 100k &
50k pots. They do affect the timing and the handling of the
car.
Each track seems to react a bit differently and requires you
playing with the linearity and the advanced setup tuning features.
I have found that by playing with the steering, gas and brake %
that you can tune out some of the looseness or tightness. At least
enough to make the car driveable.
If that doesn't work you may have to turn on the stability control
to keep you from spinning out but this will slow you down.
You may also have to play with steering ratio in your setup page.
Even though you can't adjust your setup the ratio is still available to
change.
The fast setup takes a lot of experimenting to get working right on
everyones system and I think this defeats the purpose of using the
fast setup.
Make sure you keep notes for what you are doing at each track with
your controller options so that you will know the next time you race there.

Pete

by **Bamada** » Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:12:48

Great set up Pete. Thanks for the advice. I do adjust the linearity but haven't
tried the steering, gas or brake settings. Even though I hate to, I may try
stability control. As far as changing the steering ratio...it always tells me
the setup (fast) can't be changed without saving with another name. Do you mean
that I can change the steering ratio and still race fixed fast? Believe it or
not I used to be fairly fast in all previous versions with my old TM pro but
can't seem to get that speed back with FF Momo racing wheel.
All help much appreciated Pete
Dan

by **Pete** » Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:41:18

Dan, when you go to change the steering ratio offline with the fast it
will tell that it can't be changed. I just name it league and don't touch
anything else. Online it allows you to change it with no problems.
Because the the Momo is probably using different pots it will respond
differently. Also if you have switched to XP since using the TM Pro that
also appears to have an effect because XP doesn't work with the lower K
value pots as well. Both the TSW and ECCI people have told me you need
to switch to the high spec 250K pots to work well with XP.

Pete

by **Bamada** » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:37:23

Hey John...how'd you get all those famous guys to join the practice server ??
:) OK...pitting...do we have to go down both pit rows like the cup guys?
....is that what the orange cones at the front pit entrance are?
Dan

by **Haqsa** » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:16:16

Somehow slowing down the steering response sounds like the wrong thing to
do. That's intended for keyboard players. Did you try reducing linearity
instead? I think that would give you a similar effect, but with better
control.

by **John Simmon** » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:48:26

It's all in who you know. :)

If you enter the pits from turn 4 (where the cones are), you will be
black-flagged for an unsafe pit entry. You have to enter the pits at
the end of the front stretch. I cannot stress enough that you not
only have to avoid being rear-ended by cars following you down the
front stretch, you also have to make sure you don't hit anyone that
might be exiting pit road.

by **John Simmon** » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:49:37

> Somehow slowing down the steering response sounds like the wrong thing to
> do. That's intended for keyboard players. Did you try reducing linearity
> instead? I think that would give you a similar effect, but with better
> control.

> > The fast setup is WAY loose. I was barely able to break into the
> > 16's until I adjusted the steering response time from 0% to 18%. I
> > also made my break response time at about 4%.

> > My fast lap right now stands at 16.095, but I watched Pete Reston do
> > a 15.8 on Saturday evening (he's also the one that shared the
> > adjustments I listed above - many thanks, Pete). I have a feeling
> > average lap times will actually be in the mid-16's to low-17's
> > because you'll almost always have traffic around you.

> > I suggest that everyone put in some time practicing because this
> > track can be real frustrating if you're driving an ill-handling car.

> > As always, the practice server is up for any that feel the need.

> > Here's hoping we see a lot of drivers that show up prepared for the
> > event.

Geeze, I mis-spoke. I meant to say *THROTTLE* response instead of
steering response. THROTTLE guys.

by **Larr** » Sat, 22 Mar 2003 00:57:31

And linierity is mainly for Joystick users :)

Larry

> Somehow slowing down the steering response sounds like the wrong thing to
> do. That's intended for keyboard players. Did you try reducing linearity
> instead? I think that would give you a similar effect, but with better
> control.

> > The fast setup is WAY loose. I was barely able to break into the
> > 16's until I adjusted the steering response time from 0% to 18%. I
> > also made my break response time at about 4%.

> > My fast lap right now stands at 16.095, but I watched Pete Reston do
> > a 15.8 on Saturday evening (he's also the one that shared the
> > adjustments I listed above - many thanks, Pete). I have a feeling
> > average lap times will actually be in the mid-16's to low-17's
> > because you'll almost always have traffic around you.

> > I suggest that everyone put in some time practicing because this
> > track can be real frustrating if you're driving an ill-handling car.

> > As always, the practice server is up for any that feel the need.

> > Here's hoping we see a lot of drivers that show up prepared for the
> > event.

by **Haqsa** » Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:29:48

Agreed. Actually this thread has been really helpful, because apparently I
have been running at 20% linearity since I first installed the game, and I
didn't even realize it until I went to the advanced controls section to see
what John was talking about. All this time I just thought the steering was
slower as a result of the new physics model. D'oh! Set the steering to
100% linear and all of a sudden my lap times came down to where they were in
NR2002. ;o)

by **grub** » Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:43:26

I did the same thing, but I haven't reaped the benefits yet. I am monkeying
around with the stability and traction stuff now.
grub

> Agreed. Actually this thread has been really helpful, because apparently
I
> have been running at 20% linearity since I first installed the game, and I
> didn't even realize it until I went to the advanced controls section to
see
> what John was talking about. All this time I just thought the steering was
> slower as a result of the new physics model. D'oh! Set the steering to
> 100% linear and all of a sudden my lap times came down to where they were
in
> NR2002. ;o)

> > And linierity is mainly for Joystick users :)

> > Larry

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