rec.autos.simulators

> Definitely the Pro; the non-Pro ATIs are the equivalent of nVidia's lame
MX
> line.

> >      i had the same question, in my new pc i go for the 9500 PRO because
> it
> > has better fps by use of anti aliasing and anisotrofic filtering
> >      see toms hardware site for a test
> >      succes Ad
> > > >I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of
> > > >days and wanted to know what people think of my two
> > > >choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro
> > > >or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with
> > > >128 megs of ddr ram.

> Just in case you didn't consider it the Ati Radeon 9500 128meg card uses
> the 9700 board in most designs. And useing RivaTuner you can open the
> other half of the memory bus to end up with a 9700 while just paying for
> a 9500. It does work I got a Sapphire 9500 128meg card for $154.00. Note
> these are 9500 128meg cards NOT 9500Pro. It is all quite confusing I
> know but it could very well be the best money to framerate setup
> available right now. Goto www.guru3d.com for starters to understand how
> this works. Another note is some people reporting artifacts and such are
> trying to overclock it all the way to a 9700PRO after pacthing it to a
> 9700. You don't have to overclock it to equal a 9700 only if you wan't
> to try to equal a 9700pro.

> > I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of
> > days and wanted to know what people think of my two
> > choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro
> > or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with
> > 128 megs of ddr ram. My main games of concern are
> > of course GPL and Nascar 4 plus the Microsoft Combat
> > flight sims (1,2 and 3) and i'm thinking of down the road is
> > Racing Legends by the West brothers. I can't afford a
> > Radeon 9700 Pro or a ti-4600 but would like to know which
> > one of the other two people would pick because i'm stuck
> > and my Voodoo 5 is getting real old. I still love the Voodoo 5
> > for GPL but i think it's about time too replace her.
> > Thanks Everyone for any help.
> > Steve!

> You are mistaken Steve.

> The GF4-MX series was based on the GF2 core.  The 9500 IS based on the
> 9700pro core albeit with reduced number of pipelines and slower clk/mem
> speed.  No comparisons between the two other than they are 3d accelerated
> video cards on the AGP bus with 128mb memory ;).

> Mitch

> > Definitely the Pro; the non-Pro ATIs are the equivalent of nVidia's lame
> MX
> > line.

> > >      i had the same question, in my new pc i go for the 9500 PRO
because
> > it
> > > has better fps by use of anti aliasing and anisotrofic filtering
> > >      see toms hardware site for a test
> > >      succes Ad
> > > > >I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of
> > > > >days and wanted to know what people think of my two
> > > > >choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro
> > > > >or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with
> > > > >128 megs of ddr ram.

> > > Definitely the Pro; the non-Pro ATIs are the equivalent of nVidia's
lame
> > MX
> > > line.

> > > >      i had the same question, in my new pc i go for the 9500 PRO
> because
> > > it
> > > > has better fps by use of anti aliasing and anisotrofic filtering
> > > >      see toms hardware site for a test
> > > >      succes Ad
> > > > > >I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of
> > > > > >days and wanted to know what people think of my two
> > > > > >choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro
> > > > > >or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with
> > > > > >128 megs of ddr ram.

> I just went through that, with an OEM Sapphire 9500 with infineon
> 3.3ns memory.  See my "upgrade time follow-up" post from 1/31 for
> details. SoftR9700 worked fine, but I got as many minor artifacts at
> default clock speed as when o/c'ed to near-Pro levels; much more so in
> OGL than D3D.  But I actually prefer the IQ of my Ti4400, mainly due
> to the more natural (imho) look of the lighting and reflections in
> Papy's sims, plus the ability of the GF to do AA in 16bit.  The ATI's
> AA is definitely better  though, and it's amazing in how it can do
> high resolutions at 32 bit color, along with high levels of AA and AF,
> with only a tiny hit in FPS compared to the GF.

> Think I'll wait for the next round...

> SB

>> Just in case you didn't consider it the Ati Radeon 9500 128meg card
>> uses the 9700 board in most designs. And useing RivaTuner you can
>> open the other half of the memory bus to end up with a 9700 while
>> just paying for a 9500. It does work I got a Sapphire 9500 128meg
>> card for $154.00. Note these are 9500 128meg cards NOT 9500Pro. It is
>> all quite confusing I know but it could very well be the best money
>> to framerate setup available right now. Goto www.guru3d.com for
>> starters to understand how this works. Another note is some people
>> reporting artifacts and such are trying to overclock it all the way
>> to a 9700PRO after pacthing it to a 9700. You don't have to overclock
>> it to equal a 9700 only if you wan't to try to equal a 9700pro.

>> > I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of
>> > days and wanted to know what people think of my two
>> > choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro
>> > or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with
>> > 128 megs of ddr ram. My main games of concern are
>> > of course GPL and Nascar 4 plus the Microsoft Combat
>> > flight sims (1,2 and 3) and i'm thinking of down the road is
>> > Racing Legends by the West brothers. I can't afford a
>> > Radeon 9700 Pro or a ti-4600 but would like to know which
>> > one of the other two people would pick because i'm stuck
>> > and my Voodoo 5 is getting real old. I still love the Voodoo 5
>> > for GPL but i think it's about time too replace her.
>> > Thanks Everyone for any help.
>> > Steve!

> differences betw. the ATI Pro and non-Pro vs. the nVidia MX
> > and non-MX cards and call me in the morning.

> I'm not real sure what price has to do with anything?  You stated
> in-correctly that the 9500 is the same as the MX series was for the Nvidia
> line.  It's not!

> Why would I want to call you in the morning and not the evenin?   In fact
> I'm actually calling you something right now ;)

> Mitch

> > > > Definitely the Pro; the non-Pro ATIs are the equivalent of nVidia's
> lame
> > > MX
> > > > line.

> > > > >      i had the same question, in my new pc i go for the 9500 PRO
> > because
> > > > it
> > > > > has better fps by use of anti aliasing and anisotrofic filtering
> > > > >      see toms hardware site for a test
> > > > >      succes Ad
> > > > > > >I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of
> > > > > > >days and wanted to know what people think of my two
> > > > > > >choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro
> > > > > > >or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with
> > > > > > >128 megs of ddr ram.

> Definitely the Pro; the non-Pro ATIs are the equivalent of nVidia's lame
MX
> line.

> >      i had the same question, in my new pc i go for the 9500 PRO because
> it
> > has better fps by use of anti aliasing and anisotrofic filtering
> >      see toms hardware site for a test
> >      succes Ad
> > > >I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of
> > > >days and wanted to know what people think of my two
> > > >choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro
> > > >or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with
> > > >128 megs of ddr ram.