So, I'd be interested in hearing what processors those of you with
Voodoo 5's are using.
Windows 98SE and my 384 Megs of RAM after upgrading. My main priority
in racing sims is GPL, but I also run some N4, NH, CMR2 and F12K1.
Any thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated.
TIA
--
Bert
That's with a Tbird 1.4ghz
Rafe Mc
>So, I'd be interested in hearing what processors those of you with
>Voodoo 5's are using.
>Windows 98SE and my 384 Megs of RAM after upgrading. My main priority
>in racing sims is GPL, but I also run some N4, NH, CMR2 and F12K1.
>Any thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated.
>TIA
Here is my typical frame rates for the games I run with my GF2 1.4-tbird 512
ddr ram GF2 combo.
GPL with track and car graphical impovements. 35-36 with a short dip to 30
at start. [1280 res 2xFSAA, D3D]
N4 30 at start, 45 -60 in traffic, up to 100 alone [1280 ers, 2xFSAA,
OpenGL]
NH 58.4 in benchark [1280 res no FSAA}
MadDAWG
You make a good point about RAM prices. I have PC100 now, but I agree that
perhaps I should just ditch it. I'm not locked into Intel, but could you be
more specific on your point about RAMBUS. (By "Intel" do you mean Intel mobos,
or CPU's?)
The reason I want to keep using the Voodoo5 is twofold (and I don't say this to
start a flame war....)
1. I like using the Glide wrapper in GPL. Lots more visibility in the mirrors
-- and I need it when I'm being lapped. LOL.
2. My impression from various posts is that the Nvidia drivers are constantly
being tweaked to run various sims -- F12K1 in particular. I've found that the
V5 works with almost anything right from the get-go.
Thanks again for your thoughts.
Bert
> Here is my typical frame rates for the games I run with my GF2 1.4-tbird 512
> ddr ram GF2 combo.
> GPL with track and car graphical impovements. 35-36 with a short dip to 30
> at start. [1280 res 2xFSAA, D3D]
> N4 30 at start, 45 -60 in traffic, up to 100 alone [1280 ers, 2xFSAA,
> OpenGL]
> NH 58.4 in benchark [1280 res no FSAA}
> MadDAWG
I'd suggest keeping your V5 (you seem pretty happy with it) and
getting an Athlon/DDR RAM combo. In 6mths or more, GF3 prices will
have dropped a lot and you'll pick up a bargain.
I'd suggest you get a tbird/athlon XP (or a P4 if you prefer Intel)
over the cheaper versions (Duron and Celeron). Sim racing uses the L2
cache very heavily, and this is a big advantage with these chips.
Oh, and Rambus (Or usually RDRAM) is the ram made specifically for
P4's. You won't see any real difference in sims or other 3D stuff ATM,
but if you believe Intel hype then you're "investing in the future".
I'd suggest save your dollars, it costs 4 times as much.
Rafe Mc
>You make a good point about RAM prices. I have PC100 now, but I agree that
>perhaps I should just ditch it. I'm not locked into Intel, but could you be
>more specific on your point about RAMBUS. (By "Intel" do you mean Intel mobos,
>or CPU's?)
>The reason I want to keep using the Voodoo5 is twofold (and I don't say this to
>start a flame war....)
>1. I like using the Glide wrapper in GPL. Lots more visibility in the mirrors
>-- and I need it when I'm being lapped. LOL.
>2. My impression from various posts is that the Nvidia drivers are constantly
>being tweaked to run various sims -- F12K1 in particular. I've found that the
>V5 works with almost anything right from the get-go.
>Thanks again for your thoughts.
>Bert
>> Well here is my theroy on upgrading. Figure out how much you have to spend
>> and buy the best you can with that amount. If you want to stay with your V5
>> thats fine, but why limit your cpu to match your video card? The cpu does
>> other things besides graphics like AI calculations, networking functions,
>> etc. Reusing your ram may be you biggest problem since you didn't post what
>> speed it is. If its anything less than pc133 you will limit your choices
>> when it comes to current setups. If its PC133 then you you should be ok.
>> Also if you want Intel then your ram is a real problem due to most of the
>> Intel setups are for RAMBUS. If you were to go AMD you can pick up 256 meg
>> of PC2100 (266mhz DDR) for $40 USD, so its not really worth limiting your
>> choices to save some old ram IMO. AS far as brands go I have had really good
>> luck with ASUS mother boards myself and won't use anything, but execpt for
>> an ABIT maybe. As far as Intel vs. AMD you can make your own choice there,
>> but a AMD system will usally run you less money and give you better
>> performance and simular systems. For example on 3dmark2001 my AMD 1.4 T-bird
>> with a geforce2 card outruns a P4 1.7 with the same Geforce2 card.
>> Here is my typical frame rates for the games I run with my GF2 1.4-tbird 512
>> ddr ram GF2 combo.
>> GPL with track and car graphical impovements. 35-36 with a short dip to 30
>> at start. [1280 res 2xFSAA, D3D]
>> N4 30 at start, 45 -60 in traffic, up to 100 alone [1280 ers, 2xFSAA,
>> OpenGL]
>> NH 58.4 in benchark [1280 res no FSAA}
>> MadDAWG
When I say Intel that is the chipset. I'm not a big Intel person myself, but
not because I dislike Intel products. I just like the pricing and
performance of AMD better. Rambus or RDRAM is Intel's memory system of
choice since the P3. Its suppose to be faster than DDR but you can't really
compare the two heads up based on their speed ratings. Rambus has to speeds
a 600 and 800 (I'm not to fresh on Rambus so things may have changed since).
Now if you look at it quickly you would think even the 600 would blow away
the top 266DDR ram. This is not the case how ever. The Rambus is faster but
not twice or three time faster, but more like 5-10%. I belive Intel has a
stake in Rambus somehow so they refuse to let it die. Its not that Rambus is
bad its just that it is much more expensive than DDR. Last I knew it was
three to four times more in price.
I'm not about to flame you for it. You have something you like for reasons
that makes you happy so what's wrong with that? I may or not agree with you
but no need for a flame suit from me. One good thing about keeping your V5
is that the money that you would have spent on a new card can go to a better
cpu, more ram, better sound card, etc.
I can relate to that last part !
You can look at this too ways. The first, which I think is were you fall, is
that Nvidia's constant driver upgrades are a pain to keep up with when all I
really wan t to do is play. The second way, which is more my opinion, is
that is a good thing because the card you buy today will not be forgotten in
3 mounths. A good example of this is with my GF2. In N4 openGL I had been
getting about 40 fps in mild traffic and down to high ***s in heavy
traffic. The other day I tried the 21.88 beta drivers and i went to 60 fps
in mild and 30 in heavy traffic, as well as hitting 100 out buy myself. Now
in most case to see that kind of frame rate jumps I would have to buy a new
card, and here I got it for free. Now there is a lot of beta drivers
floating around, but as far as offical drivers go they don't change all that
often. As far as needing a specific driver for for a certain game goes
F12001 is really the first time I have ever really had a problem with a game
not running correctly because of a driver version. Sure some titles like a
given version better than another, but until F12001 they have all still been
playable and the differance in driver versions have really been a few fps or
a little differance in image quaality, in all nothing major.
Anytime
MadDAWG
> You make a good point about RAM prices. I have PC100 now, but I agree
that
> perhaps I should just ditch it. I'm not locked into Intel, but could you
be
> more specific on your point about RAMBUS. (By "Intel" do you mean Intel
mobos,
> or CPU's?)
> The reason I want to keep using the Voodoo5 is twofold (and I don't say
this to
> start a flame war....)
> 1. I like using the Glide wrapper in GPL. Lots more visibility in the
mirrors
> -- and I need it when I'm being lapped. LOL.
F12001 is the only game that has a problem on the 21.x.x series of Nvidia
drivers that I have come across. As a an ex-hardore 3DFX fan who switched to
GF3 said the other day in the flight-sim newsgroup, the Nvidia drivers are
just as stable if not more so than any drivers 3DFX ever put out. You people
complaining about the state of Nvidia drivers are basing it on old news and
not the current state of their drivers. Anyway, the F12001 problem is an EA
problem and not Nvidia's. F12001 was released before it was ready. Anyone
can clearly see that.
I need a mobo that still has one ISA slot because I have a SCSI CD-burner which I
don't want to retire yet. (Of course, if there is such a thing as a PCI based SCSI
adapter, I won't worry about the mobo having an ISA slot.) -- Any suggestions?
> I'd suggest keeping your V5 (you seem pretty happy with it) and
> getting an Athlon/DDR RAM combo. In 6mths or more, GF3 prices will
> have dropped a lot and you'll pick up a bargain.
> I'd suggest you get a tbird/athlon XP (or a P4 if you prefer Intel)
> over the cheaper versions (Duron and Celeron). Sim racing uses the L2
> cache very heavily, and this is a big advantage with these chips.
> Oh, and Rambus (Or usually RDRAM) is the ram made specifically for
> P4's. You won't see any real difference in sims or other 3D stuff ATM,
> but if you believe Intel hype then you're "investing in the future".
> I'd suggest save your dollars, it costs 4 times as much.
> Rafe Mc
> >Thanks for that detailed reply MadDAWG.
> >You make a good point about RAM prices. I have PC100 now, but I agree that
> >perhaps I should just ditch it. I'm not locked into Intel, but could you be
> >more specific on your point about RAMBUS. (By "Intel" do you mean Intel mobos,
> >or CPU's?)
> >The reason I want to keep using the Voodoo5 is twofold (and I don't say this to
> >start a flame war....)
> >1. I like using the Glide wrapper in GPL. Lots more visibility in the mirrors
> >-- and I need it when I'm being lapped. LOL.
> >2. My impression from various posts is that the Nvidia drivers are constantly
> >being tweaked to run various sims -- F12K1 in particular. I've found that the
> >V5 works with almost anything right from the get-go.
> >Thanks again for your thoughts.
> >Bert
> >> Well here is my theroy on upgrading. Figure out how much you have to spend
> >> and buy the best you can with that amount. If you want to stay with your V5
> >> thats fine, but why limit your cpu to match your video card? The cpu does
> >> other things besides graphics like AI calculations, networking functions,
> >> etc. Reusing your ram may be you biggest problem since you didn't post what
> >> speed it is. If its anything less than pc133 you will limit your choices
> >> when it comes to current setups. If its PC133 then you you should be ok.
> >> Also if you want Intel then your ram is a real problem due to most of the
> >> Intel setups are for RAMBUS. If you were to go AMD you can pick up 256 meg
> >> of PC2100 (266mhz DDR) for $40 USD, so its not really worth limiting your
> >> choices to save some old ram IMO. AS far as brands go I have had really good
> >> luck with ASUS mother boards myself and won't use anything, but execpt for
> >> an ABIT maybe. As far as Intel vs. AMD you can make your own choice there,
> >> but a AMD system will usally run you less money and give you better
> >> performance and simular systems. For example on 3dmark2001 my AMD 1.4 T-bird
> >> with a geforce2 card outruns a P4 1.7 with the same Geforce2 card.
> >> Here is my typical frame rates for the games I run with my GF2 1.4-tbird 512
> >> ddr ram GF2 combo.
> >> GPL with track and car graphical impovements. 35-36 with a short dip to 30
> >> at start. [1280 res 2xFSAA, D3D]
> >> N4 30 at start, 45 -60 in traffic, up to 100 alone [1280 ers, 2xFSAA,
> >> OpenGL]
> >> NH 58.4 in benchark [1280 res no FSAA}
> >> MadDAWG
A review is here: http://www.socketa.com/reviews/epox/8kha+/ Only
downside for you is the lack of an ISA slot. But if you grab a pci
scsi card you'll be right.
Rafe Mc
>I need a mobo that still has one ISA slot because I have a SCSI CD-burner which I
>don't want to retire yet. (Of course, if there is such a thing as a PCI based SCSI
>adapter, I won't worry about the mobo having an ISA slot.) -- Any suggestions?
>> I had the same thing with the old V3 3000, no changing drivers, they
>> worked with everything. But those days are gone now.
>> I'd suggest keeping your V5 (you seem pretty happy with it) and
>> getting an Athlon/DDR RAM combo. In 6mths or more, GF3 prices will
>> have dropped a lot and you'll pick up a bargain.
>> I'd suggest you get a tbird/athlon XP (or a P4 if you prefer Intel)
>> over the cheaper versions (Duron and Celeron). Sim racing uses the L2
>> cache very heavily, and this is a big advantage with these chips.
>> Oh, and Rambus (Or usually RDRAM) is the ram made specifically for
>> P4's. You won't see any real difference in sims or other 3D stuff ATM,
>> but if you believe Intel hype then you're "investing in the future".
>> I'd suggest save your dollars, it costs 4 times as much.
>> Rafe Mc
>> >Thanks for that detailed reply MadDAWG.
>> >You make a good point about RAM prices. I have PC100 now, but I agree that
>> >perhaps I should just ditch it. I'm not locked into Intel, but could you be
>> >more specific on your point about RAMBUS. (By "Intel" do you mean Intel mobos,
>> >or CPU's?)
>> >The reason I want to keep using the Voodoo5 is twofold (and I don't say this to
>> >start a flame war....)
>> >1. I like using the Glide wrapper in GPL. Lots more visibility in the mirrors
>> >-- and I need it when I'm being lapped. LOL.
>> >2. My impression from various posts is that the Nvidia drivers are constantly
>> >being tweaked to run various sims -- F12K1 in particular. I've found that the
>> >V5 works with almost anything right from the get-go.
>> >Thanks again for your thoughts.
>> >Bert
>> >> Well here is my theroy on upgrading. Figure out how much you have to spend
>> >> and buy the best you can with that amount. If you want to stay with your V5
>> >> thats fine, but why limit your cpu to match your video card? The cpu does
>> >> other things besides graphics like AI calculations, networking functions,
>> >> etc. Reusing your ram may be you biggest problem since you didn't post what
>> >> speed it is. If its anything less than pc133 you will limit your choices
>> >> when it comes to current setups. If its PC133 then you you should be ok.
>> >> Also if you want Intel then your ram is a real problem due to most of the
>> >> Intel setups are for RAMBUS. If you were to go AMD you can pick up 256 meg
>> >> of PC2100 (266mhz DDR) for $40 USD, so its not really worth limiting your
>> >> choices to save some old ram IMO. AS far as brands go I have had really good
>> >> luck with ASUS mother boards myself and won't use anything, but execpt for
>> >> an ABIT maybe. As far as Intel vs. AMD you can make your own choice there,
>> >> but a AMD system will usally run you less money and give you better
>> >> performance and simular systems. For example on 3dmark2001 my AMD 1.4 T-bird
>> >> with a geforce2 card outruns a P4 1.7 with the same Geforce2 card.
>> >> Here is my typical frame rates for the games I run with my GF2 1.4-tbird 512
>> >> ddr ram GF2 combo.
>> >> GPL with track and car graphical impovements. 35-36 with a short dip to 30
>> >> at start. [1280 res 2xFSAA, D3D]
>> >> N4 30 at start, 45 -60 in traffic, up to 100 alone [1280 ers, 2xFSAA,
>> >> OpenGL]
>> >> NH 58.4 in benchark [1280 res no FSAA}
>> >> MadDAWG
Now one last (probably dumb) question. Regarding the AthlonXP CPU's -- Does the XP mean
that I have to use Windows XP? (I'd prefer sticking with Windows 98SE as I've got a lot
of other "stuff" connected to this rig that already have drivers that work.)
Thanks!
> A review is here: http://www.socketa.com/reviews/epox/8kha+/ Only
> downside for you is the lack of an ISA slot. But if you grab a pci
> scsi card you'll be right.
> Rafe Mc
> >Yeah, I was leaning towards Athlon. I had an AMD CPU way back when, and had a good
> >experience with it, and from what I read the Athlon probably gives the most bang for
> >the buck. But now, I need to get into specifics:
> >I need a mobo that still has one ISA slot because I have a SCSI CD-burner which I
> >don't want to retire yet. (Of course, if there is such a thing as a PCI based SCSI
> >adapter, I won't worry about the mobo having an ISA slot.) -- Any suggestions?
> >> I had the same thing with the old V3 3000, no changing drivers, they
> >> worked with everything. But those days are gone now.
> >> I'd suggest keeping your V5 (you seem pretty happy with it) and
> >> getting an Athlon/DDR RAM combo. In 6mths or more, GF3 prices will
> >> have dropped a lot and you'll pick up a bargain.
> >> I'd suggest you get a tbird/athlon XP (or a P4 if you prefer Intel)
> >> over the cheaper versions (Duron and Celeron). Sim racing uses the L2
> >> cache very heavily, and this is a big advantage with these chips.
> >> Oh, and Rambus (Or usually RDRAM) is the ram made specifically for
> >> P4's. You won't see any real difference in sims or other 3D stuff ATM,
> >> but if you believe Intel hype then you're "investing in the future".
> >> I'd suggest save your dollars, it costs 4 times as much.
> >> Rafe Mc
> >> >Thanks for that detailed reply MadDAWG.
> >> >You make a good point about RAM prices. I have PC100 now, but I agree that
> >> >perhaps I should just ditch it. I'm not locked into Intel, but could you be
> >> >more specific on your point about RAMBUS. (By "Intel" do you mean Intel mobos,
> >> >or CPU's?)
> >> >The reason I want to keep using the Voodoo5 is twofold (and I don't say this to
> >> >start a flame war....)
> >> >1. I like using the Glide wrapper in GPL. Lots more visibility in the mirrors
> >> >-- and I need it when I'm being lapped. LOL.
> >> >2. My impression from various posts is that the Nvidia drivers are constantly
> >> >being tweaked to run various sims -- F12K1 in particular. I've found that the
> >> >V5 works with almost anything right from the get-go.
> >> >Thanks again for your thoughts.
> >> >Bert
> >> >> Well here is my theroy on upgrading. Figure out how much you have to spend
> >> >> and buy the best you can with that amount. If you want to stay with your V5
> >> >> thats fine, but why limit your cpu to match your video card? The cpu does
> >> >> other things besides graphics like AI calculations, networking functions,
> >> >> etc. Reusing your ram may be you biggest problem since you didn't post what
> >> >> speed it is. If its anything less than pc133 you will limit your choices
> >> >> when it comes to current setups. If its PC133 then you you should be ok.
> >> >> Also if you want Intel then your ram is a real problem due to most of the
> >> >> Intel setups are for RAMBUS. If you were to go AMD you can pick up 256 meg
> >> >> of PC2100 (266mhz DDR) for $40 USD, so its not really worth limiting your
> >> >> choices to save some old ram IMO. AS far as brands go I have had really good
> >> >> luck with ASUS mother boards myself and won't use anything, but execpt for
> >> >> an ABIT maybe. As far as Intel vs. AMD you can make your own choice there,
> >> >> but a AMD system will usally run you less money and give you better
> >> >> performance and simular systems. For example on 3dmark2001 my AMD 1.4 T-bird
> >> >> with a geforce2 card outruns a P4 1.7 with the same Geforce2 card.
> >> >> Here is my typical frame rates for the games I run with my GF2 1.4-tbird 512
> >> >> ddr ram GF2 combo.
> >> >> GPL with track and car graphical impovements. 35-36 with a short dip to 30
> >> >> at start. [1280 res 2xFSAA, D3D]
> >> >> N4 30 at start, 45 -60 in traffic, up to 100 alone [1280 ers, 2xFSAA,
> >> >> OpenGL]
> >> >> NH 58.4 in benchark [1280 res no FSAA}
> >> >> MadDAWG
I wouldn't want Windows XP either, that whole "authorisation code"
thing stinks. I change my hardware too often for that stuff.
Rafe Mc
>Now one last (probably dumb) question. Regarding the AthlonXP CPU's -- Does the XP mean
>that I have to use Windows XP? (I'd prefer sticking with Windows 98SE as I've got a lot
>of other "stuff" connected to this rig that already have drivers that work.)
>Thanks!
>> There certainly is a pci scsi adapter, I have one myself. Only $20
>> Aust (or $10US). I'd suggest getting the Epox EP8kha+, loads of
>> features for a cheap price. The mobo of choice even for Anandtech.com.
>> Coupled with an AthlonXP CPU and you'll be laughing. The 1800+ is
>> already faster than the 2.0ghz P4, the 1900+ is even faster.
>> A review is here: http://www.socketa.com/reviews/epox/8kha+/ Only
>> downside for you is the lack of an ISA slot. But if you grab a pci
>> scsi card you'll be right.
>> Rafe Mc
>> >Yeah, I was leaning towards Athlon. I had an AMD CPU way back when, and had a good
>> >experience with it, and from what I read the Athlon probably gives the most bang for
>> >the buck. But now, I need to get into specifics:
>> >I need a mobo that still has one ISA slot because I have a SCSI CD-burner which I
>> >don't want to retire yet. (Of course, if there is such a thing as a PCI based SCSI
>> >adapter, I won't worry about the mobo having an ISA slot.) -- Any suggestions?
>> >> I had the same thing with the old V3 3000, no changing drivers, they
>> >> worked with everything. But those days are gone now.
>> >> I'd suggest keeping your V5 (you seem pretty happy with it) and
>> >> getting an Athlon/DDR RAM combo. In 6mths or more, GF3 prices will
>> >> have dropped a lot and you'll pick up a bargain.
>> >> I'd suggest you get a tbird/athlon XP (or a P4 if you prefer Intel)
>> >> over the cheaper versions (Duron and Celeron). Sim racing uses the L2
>> >> cache very heavily, and this is a big advantage with these chips.
>> >> Oh, and Rambus (Or usually RDRAM) is the ram made specifically for
>> >> P4's. You won't see any real difference in sims or other 3D stuff ATM,
>> >> but if you believe Intel hype then you're "investing in the future".
>> >> I'd suggest save your dollars, it costs 4 times as much.
>> >> Rafe Mc
>> >> >Thanks for that detailed reply MadDAWG.
>> >> >You make a good point about RAM prices. I have PC100 now, but I agree that
>> >> >perhaps I should just ditch it. I'm not locked into Intel, but could you be
>> >> >more specific on your point about RAMBUS. (By "Intel" do you mean Intel mobos,
>> >> >or CPU's?)
>> >> >The reason I want to keep using the Voodoo5 is twofold (and I don't say this to
>> >> >start a flame war....)
>> >> >1. I like using the Glide wrapper in GPL. Lots more visibility in the mirrors
>> >> >-- and I need it when I'm being lapped. LOL.
>> >> >2. My impression from various posts is that the Nvidia drivers are constantly
>> >> >being tweaked to run various sims -- F12K1 in particular. I've found that the
>> >> >V5 works with almost anything right from the get-go.
>> >> >Thanks again for your thoughts.
>> >> >Bert
>> >> >> Well here is my theroy on upgrading. Figure out how much you have to spend
>> >> >> and buy the best you can with that amount. If you want to stay with your V5
>> >> >> thats fine, but why limit your cpu to match your video card? The cpu does
>> >> >> other things besides graphics like AI calculations, networking functions,
>> >> >> etc. Reusing your ram may be you biggest problem since you didn't post what
>> >> >> speed it is. If its anything less than pc133 you will limit your choices
>> >> >> when it comes to current setups. If its PC133 then you you should be ok.
>> >> >> Also if you want Intel then your ram is a real problem due to most of the
>> >> >> Intel setups are for RAMBUS. If you were to go AMD you can pick up 256 meg
>> >> >> of PC2100 (266mhz DDR) for $40 USD, so its not really worth limiting your
>> >> >> choices to save some old ram IMO. AS far as brands go I have had really good
>> >> >> luck with ASUS mother boards myself and won't use anything, but execpt for
>> >> >> an ABIT maybe. As far as Intel vs. AMD you can make your own choice there,
>> >> >> but a AMD system will usally run you less money and give you better
>> >> >> performance and simular systems. For example on 3dmark2001 my AMD 1.4 T-bird
>> >> >> with a geforce2 card outruns a P4 1.7 with the same Geforce2 card.
>> >> >> Here is my typical frame rates for the games I run with my GF2 1.4-tbird 512
>> >> >> ddr ram GF2 combo.
>> >> >> GPL with track and car graphical impovements. 35-36 with a short dip to 30
>> >> >> at start. [1280 res 2xFSAA, D3D]
>> >> >> N4 30 at start, 45 -60 in traffic, up to 100 alone [1280 ers, 2xFSAA,
>> >> >> OpenGL]
>> >> >> NH 58.4 in benchark [1280 res no FSAA}
>> >> >> MadDAWG
> Nope, that's just AMD's marketing label. They'll work with Windows 3.1
> if you wanted to use it :)
> I wouldn't want Windows XP either, that whole "authorisation code"
> thing stinks. I change my hardware too often for that stuff.
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Hey Raif. I've just about completed a box with the EP8kha+/Athlon 1700, just
waiting for the GF3 card to arrive. Don't know why I'd want to cheap out on a
sound card after the money I've spent so far, but I was thinking of trying the
onboard sound and game port before I bought one. Have you tried it?
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>>There certainly is a pci scsi adapter, I have one myself. Only $20
>>Aust (or $10US). I'd suggest getting the Epox EP8kha+, loads of
>>features for a cheap price. The mobo of choice even for Anandtech.com.
>>Coupled with an AthlonXP CPU and you'll be laughing. The 1800+ is
>>already faster than the 2.0ghz P4, the 1900+ is even faster.
>Hey Raif. I've just about completed a box with the EP8kha+/Athlon 1700, just
>waiting for the GF3 card to arrive. Don't know why I'd want to cheap out on a
>sound card after the money I've spent so far, but I was thinking of trying the
>onboard sound and game port before I bought one. Have you tried it?
Rafe Mc
